Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[Anders Lindman]

Do you have any actual evidence to back up your extreme conspiracy theories?

Well, one of my more outrageous conspiracy theories is that nuclear power plants are water fuel cell plants in disguise. I regard that as a very low probability theory but there are some evidence, such as hydrogen explosions in nuclear power plants. The official explanation is that some rare form of chemical reaction between heated water and some exotic metal is the cause of the hydrogen, which makes the alternative explanation of a water fuel cell simpler in comparison. If it could be shown that the exotic chemical reaction is a made up hoax, then the hydrogen explosions start to look like real evidence. Very speculative ideas, but anyway, that's what I meant by my extreme theories. Those theories pale in comparison to your mind control massive memory implant theory. I don't think you believe in that yourselves.

 

[Anders Lindman]

serious question, 20+ pages of biting on this blatant trolling? what gives?

Hat Tip Anders, although I don't know where you get the time.

Time? Here's an explanation of how time works: http://timecube.com/

Überkooky!

 

[Mojo]

And why do you believe in such extreme conspiracy theory in the first place? Do you have any actual evidence that mind control of such extreme kind even exists?

Sorry, Anders, but cabal mind control is your conspiracy theory, not ours. All we have been doing is asking you to prove, on the same terms that you apply to all your other conspiracy theories, that you are not yourself subject to it. Even with all the vast resources of the cabal behind you, you have been unable to do this.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Look, we have five possibilities here:

1. You have never been under the control of the cabal.
2. You are always under the control of the cabal.
3. You have been under the control of the cabal in the past, but the mind control has implanted false memories so that you are unaware of this.
4. You have been under the control of the cabal in the past and are aware of this, but their mind control has implanted a post-control suggestion that makes it impossible for you to admit this.
5. You have been under the control of the cabal in the past and are aware of this, but are lying about it because of some other agenda of your own.

Even if I would have been affected by some mind control by the cabal, my ordinary personality is not mind controlled. Sure, it's always possible to be influenced by all kinds of external 'signals', but happens to basically everybody. Just observe how Obama's victory in the 2012 election is already decided and all they need to to is to tweak the minds of the masses a little bit to get the desired result. A kind of mass mind control via television and other forms of mass media.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Sorry, Anders, but cabal mind control is your conspiracy theory, not ours. All we have been doing is asking you to prove, on the same terms that you apply to all your other conspiracy theories, that you are not yourself subject to it. Even with all the vast resources of the cabal behind you, you have been unable to do this.

So you admit that you don't believe in your own mind control theory then. Or else you would have to admit that you are a conspiracy theorist. He he.

 

[Mojo]

So you admit that you don't believe in your own mind control theory then.

Cabal mind control is your "theory", not mine.

 

[Mojo]

Even if I would have been affected by some mind control by the cabal, my ordinary personality is not mind controlled.

How do you know? Surely one of the main points about "mind control" is that the victims are unaware of it?

 

[Tomtomkent]

That's not what I meant. I meant the total programming of a lifetime memory into a person. Very much like the Replicants in the Bladerunner movie. I haven't moved any goal post. I have stated that from the beginning. It's you who are trying to move the goal post into a lesser form of memory implants. And why do you believe in such extreme conspiracy theory in the first place? Do you have any actual evidence that mind control of such extreme kind even exists?

lol. Some of you have turned into more extreme conspiracy theorists than me! Maybe I have brainwashed you. Just kidding!

Now you moved the goal post back again.

The example you gave was that one person who exists woke up with a different personality, that of another person who exists. A personality transplant.

What you describe now is the original person having different memories.

Why you compare them to robots programmed to ACT as though they have a life timeofmemories (so convincingly they are only caught out by psychological testing) is beyond me. How can "brainwashing" in any practical sense which would be replacing biological memories from experience be like creating an artificial machine from scratch and simulating a personality?

At best it is a stupid comparison. Though clearly it is you being devoid from realities. Personality and memory are different. We know a personality can have a life time of false memories "recovered" by scewering perceptions of existing memories as it has happened.

Seriously, you started this thread by not bothering to understand how a court works. Now you are failing to understand your own friggin' examples?

Why?

 

[Tomtomkent]

Even if I would have been affected by some mind control by the cabal, my ordinary personality is not mind controlled. Sure, it's always possible to be influenced by all kinds of external 'signals', but happens to basically everybody. Just observe how Obama's victory in the 2012 election is already decided and all they need to to is to tweak the minds of the masses a little bit to get the desired result. A kind of mass mind control via television and other forms of mass media.

How can you be sure you have free will? Or that you are exceptional? Would these not be the qualities a hypnotherapist programmed you to believe so that you would exclude the possibility?

Just observe the way you refuse to supply actual evidence for the cabal, their controls, or any other matter. Clearly you are under their control, sent to have this conversation in the most ludicrous manner possible to tar CTs with a kooky brush and ensure that. Your ideas are never taken seriously. Anybody with genuine evidence and research will be cursed by their association with your claims.

No doubt there are legions of your kind, unaware of the control they are under trying to convince "sheeple" of the real power behind 9/11 and the aliens who kidnapped Shergar.

Fight their control Anders! Give us evidence!

 

[Anders Lindman]

How do you know? Surely one of the main points about "mind control" is that the victims are unaware of it?

Those with different alters are unconscious when in the altered personalities as I understand it. Take for example Svali's mother that I mentioned earlier. When in her ordinary personality she was completely unaware of the alter personality that could understand German. And the mind controlled alter personalities run on subconscious programs, below the level of ordinary of consciousness which means that they are in effect 'asleep' during the altered periods. And since I'm conscious and have my ordinary memories, I'm at least not in any altered personality in my ordinary life.

Both Svali and her husband had mind controlled alters that were activated during the night. I think Svali may be telling the truth even if it sounds outrageous at face value. In theory anybody could be mind controlled like that, even myself, but I think that's unlikely. You yourself could be mind controlled like that if you think about it. So it's not something that's easy to disprove.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Now you moved the goal post back again.

The example you gave was that one person who exists woke up with a different personality, that of another person who exists. A personality transplant.

What you describe now is the original person having different memories.

Why you compare them to robots programmed to ACT as though they have a life timeofmemories (so convincingly they are only caught out by psychological testing) is beyond me. How can "brainwashing" in any practical sense which would be replacing biological memories from experience be like creating an artificial machine from scratch and simulating a personality?

At best it is a stupid comparison. Though clearly it is you being devoid from realities. Personality and memory are different. We know a personality can have a life time of false memories "recovered" by scewering perceptions of existing memories as it has happened.

Seriously, you started this thread by not bothering to understand how a court works. Now you are failing to understand your own friggin' examples?

Why?

I don't think personality transplants are possible. The altered personalities get programmed to perform certain tasks, but that is not the same as they are giving false memories. In addition false memories may be implanted to hide certain mind control events, and yes that's something separate. It's those false memories that I claim can't be too extensive and certainly not false memories for an entire life of a person.

 

[Anders Lindman]

How can you be sure you have free will? Or that you are exceptional? Would these not be the qualities a hypnotherapist programmed you to believe so that you would exclude the possibility?

Just observe the way you refuse to supply actual evidence for the cabal, their controls, or any other matter. Clearly you are under their control, sent to have this conversation in the most ludicrous manner possible to tar CTs with a kooky brush and ensure that. Your ideas are never taken seriously. Anybody with genuine evidence and research will be cursed by their association with your claims.

No doubt there are legions of your kind, unaware of the control they are under trying to convince "sheeple" of the real power behind 9/11 and the aliens who kidnapped Shergar.

Fight their control Anders! Give us evidence!

Ah! You suspect I really have real evidence and secret cabal information. Nope. Zero actual secret information. And even if I had, I wouldn't publish any of it. Because that could be very dangerous.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Cabal mind control is your "theory", not mine.

Well, it's only recently I started looking into mind control. So it's not really my theory but rather just a rehash from what I have learned about it.

 

[Mojo]

Those with different alters are unconscious when in the altered personalities as I understand it. Take for example Svali's mother that I mentioned earlier. When in her ordinary personality she was completely unaware of the alter personality that could understand German. And the mind controlled alter personalities run on subconscious programs, below the level of ordinary of consciousness which means that they are in effect 'asleep' during the altered periods. And since I'm conscious and have my ordinary memories, I'm at least not in any altered personality in my ordinary life.

How do you know that they are your "ordinary memories"? All you can know is that they are the memories of the personality you are currently in, and that could be the "altered personality". Perhaps your "ordinary personality" is even one that doesn't understand English.

 

[Mojo]

Well, it's only recently I started looking into mind control. So it's not really my theory but rather just a rehash from what I have learned about it.

For the purposes of this thread it is your theory - you are the one who brought it here.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Ah! You suspect I really have real evidence and secret cabal information. Nope. Zero actual secret information. And even if I had, I wouldn't publish any of it. Because that could be very dangerous.

No I suspect you have none, but come here to make dubious claims to discredit those who do. Clearly you read my post, but your perception of it was altered by Cabal mindcontrol gun to obscure your perception of the sarcasm. Observe how you now claim a lack of evidence is somehow understandable when making such claims. And make threats about how dangerous the cabal is, despite discussing them in an open forum?

Surely you can not be taking the conversation seriously as you think the "dangerous" cabal would wait for the cat to be out of the bag before eliminating you.

On the other hand there is no need for a rational being to discuss a mere fantasy.

Unless it was to disrupt and smear those who CAN prove something! Clearly you are an agent of the Cabal! Trying to make CTers look like fools!

 

[Mojo]

Ah! You suspect I really have real evidence and secret cabal information. Nope. Zero actual secret information. And even if I had, I wouldn't publish any of it. Because that could be very dangerous.

No, you can't publish it because the cabal's mind control won't allow you to. If you want to prove that you aren't under their control you need to publish their secret information.

 

[kevsta]

Time? Here's an explanation of how time works: http://timecube.com/

Überkooky!

I wish I hadn't clicked that. that's 30 seconds (counted using GMT) of my life gone that I'll never get back

 

[Anders Lindman]

How do you know that they are your "ordinary memories"? All you can know is that they are the memories of the personality you are currently in, and that could be the "altered personality". Perhaps your "ordinary personality" is even one that doesn't understand English.

You mean that mind controlled alter personalities could be a conscious state. That's not the impression I got from learning about mind control. The altered personalities are unconscious 'asleep', even while they are performing their tasks as I understand it. And even if the alters are conscious states, and I was myself in such state right now, that would mean that my whole life all the way back to childhood would be such mind controlled state. That's hardly probable.

 

[Anders Lindman]

No I suspect you have none, but come here to make dubious claims to discredit those who do.

Ha! You are in other words admitting that you suspect there IS such secret cabal information. And that there even are some people who post such information. Understood.