Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[JayUtah]

But that's another question not related to the original issue.

Nonsense. You said that if someone wanted to assert that the story was made up, he'd have to prove it. I want to know what you have in mind about how such a proposition could be proven. It seems that would be an important consideration before imposing a burden on someone.

You brought that up twice, so you don't get to declare it off-topic.

Doesn't gonna work on me.

Nothing works on you. You are entirely refractory to any sort of discussion, reality, evidence, or refutation. You can't even respect your own resignations and concessions.

That's at least a good sign that you are not too worried about your 'status' or whatever.

I wish I could say the same for you. Nothing you've done in the past two pages rises above the level of overt face-saving.

 

[JayUtah]

I'm still very...

Well, I gave you time to respond to the rest of my post that you derailed on this one side note. But you haven't done it. I guess I can take that as your admission that you are unable to prove that you are not under mind control.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Well, I gave you time to respond to the rest of my post that you derailed on this one side note. But you haven't done it. I guess I can take that as your admission that you are unable to prove that you are under mind control.

Often it's not possible to prove a negative. And it's difficult to prove that I'm not mind controlled at all. As I mentioned earlier, some conspiracy researchers even claim that things like watching television is a form of mind control. I can however, prove to myself that I'm not under the cabal member kind of mind control. To prove that to others would be very difficult. Anyone can claim anything on an Internet forum.

Then the question about if there is such a thing as the 'Illuminati' mind control Svali talked about in the video I posted earlier. I think there may be! To speculate a bit: The Inquisition was perhaps a big mind control operation, and also the Vietnam war could have been a cross mind control operation between an eastern and a western cabal.

The song '19' is interesting in this regard: "In 1965 Vietnam seemed like just another foreign war. But it wasn't. It was different in many ways. And so were those who did the fighting." -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSGvqjVHik8

The World Trade Center was perhaps a joint east and west operation, and a part of a long-term plan to have both towers collapse in 2001. Not only is the Fuji Bank, a hugely suspect WTC tenant, Asian, but also the architect was Japanese (or was at least originally from Japan or something like that).

So the JFK assassination, the Apollo hoax, the Vietnam war and the 9/11 attacks may all be a result of the mind control cabal. Jackie Kennedy was probably heavily mind controlled (just look at her staged-looking movements in the Zapruder film).

 

[JayUtah]

And it's difficult to prove that I'm not mind controlled at all.

Are you able, right now, to do it? Yes or no.

I can however, prove to myself that I'm not under the cabal member kind of mind control.

Self-conviction is irrelevant.

To prove that to others would be very difficult.

And proof to others was what was asked for. You say it's "difficult." Can you do it? Why or why not?

Anyone can claim anything on an Internet forum.

What specifically about JREF would prevent you from presenting the requested proof in it, if that proof should exist?

Then the question about if there is such a thing as the 'Illuminati' mind control...

I don't care about that and didn't ask about it. The rest of your post is an irrelevant digression.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Are you able, right now, to do it? Yes or no.



Self-conviction is irrelevant.



And proof to others was what was asked for. You say it's "difficult." Can you do it? Why or why not?



What specifically about JREF would prevent you from presenting the requested proof in it, if that proof should exist?



I don't care about that and didn't ask about it. The rest of your post is an irrelevant digression.

I can prove it to myself. There is nothing I have that can prove it through a forum like this. Sorry.

 

[R.A.F.]

Often it's not possible to prove a negative.

Then why did you propose doing just that??

 

[Anders Lindman]

Then why did you propose doing just that??

Sometime it's possible to prove a negative. If I for example claim that there are no numbers in this sentence then that can easily be proven. Just check for any numbers in the entire sentence. That's what can be called an exhaustive search. In many other situations, such complete search cannot be done. It depends on the situation and what negative to prove.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I found a possible evidence that David Sale mentioned (audio recording May 10 2011, Hour 2, about 10 minutes into the recording): http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=223408

He talks about a 'global agreement' with 700+ signatures. And they are working on verifying those signatures. And the result will be posted, he said.

I will have to listen some more to find out what the global agreement is about.

 

[JayUtah]

In many other situations, such complete search cannot be done.

Such as you already admitted cannot be done in the Sale case. Therefore, distractions over trivial cases aside, do you admit that the burden of proof you propose to lay on disbelievers of Sale is unreasonable?

 

[JayUtah]

He talks about a 'global agreement' with 700+ signatures.

A description of alleged evidence is not evidence.

 

[Anders Lindman]

A description of alleged evidence is not evidence.

We will have to wait and see if they publish it. Then it becomes public evidence. The global agreement is if I understood it correctly about how countries will be financially independent and not dependent on external banks or foreign countries etc. Really extreme claims so I remain skeptical but it could be true!

 

[Mojo]

At least I'm not mind controlled in cabal sense of having the entire ordinary daily life mind controlled. Because cabal members have roles in society where they work directly for the cabal. I do NOT work for the cabal, at least not directly.

Yes you do. You are here every day making their existence look implausible.

 

[Mojo]

Because I'm consciously aware! And I'm aware of NOT working for any cabal. The real mind controlled members are not consciously aware when they are in their mind controlled personality.

Exactly. They are continuously controlling your mind so that you never become conscious and realise that you are being controlled.

 

[Dancing David]

The cabal is likely an international shadow society that uses mind control on its own members. Members of the cabal can be found in many different positions in society.

The smurf cabal is likely an international shadow society that uses mind control on its own members. Members of the smurf cabal can be found in many different positions in society.

 

[Dancing David]

I have now listened to the first interview I posted above: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=223408

Near the end of the first audio Sale talks about this cabal! And the interviewer mentions mind control. Sale talks about how the CIA is divided into a public part and a huge rogue part. It's not only the CIA, and I suspect that it's not even the biggest part of the cabal. The cabal is huge. Could Sale just be making stuff up? Maybe. Maybe not.

Near the end of the first audio Sale talks about this smurf cabal! And the interviewer mentions mind control. Sale talks about how the CIA is divided into a public part and a huge rogue part. It's not only the CIA, and I suspect that it's not even the biggest part of the smurf cabal. The smurf cabal is huge. Could Sale just be making stuff up? Maybe. Maybe not.

 

[Dancing David]

Fuji Bank is not American and the steel from ground zero was hastily shipped to Asian countries. So, the cabal is international. See my posts in the 9/11 section for explanations of how Fuji Bank was involved.

Fuji Bank is not American and the steel from ground zero was hastily shipped to Asian countries. So, the smurf cabal is international. See my posts in the 9/11 section for explanations of how Smurf Cabal Fuji Bank was involved.

 

[Dancing David]

The spot price of steel could have been manipulated! That's how huge the conspiracy is. So I would say that the "and" is relevant. It shows how the cabal is international (unless the companies who bought the steel from ground zero were all American).

The spot price of steel could have been manipulated! That's how huge the conspiracy is. So I would say that the "and" is relevant. It shows how the smurf cabal is international (unless the companies who bought the steel from ground zero were all smurf cabal.

 

[Dancing David]

Although much, if not most, terrorism, are false flag operations, to say that the cabal and terrorists are the same thing is incorrect.

Although much, if not most, terrorism, are false flag operations, to say that the smurf cabal and terrorists are the same thing is incorrect.

 

[Dancing David]

"Benjamin Fulford 1-23-12…”Secret government regime change in Asia nears completion, Satanic cabal in West crumbling”

…the battle over control of the global financial system and therefore the future of the planet Earth is proceeding well for the White Dragon Society and its allies.

…Interpol is steadily squeezing criminals like George Soros and Senator J. Rockefeller and something big may happen before the key January 31st accounts settling date." -- http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/201...s-completion-satanic-cabal-in-west-crumbling/

"Benjamin Fulford 1-23-12…”Secret government regime change in Asia nears completion, Satanic smurf cabal in West crumbling”

 

[tsig]

That's exactly what someone under the influence of mind control would say.

If he wasn't under mind control he'd have long since had a visit from a cat.