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Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

Cl1mh4224rd said:
And you could be a pedophile. :rolleyes:

Do you know why it would be wrong to make that accusation? No, not because it would be against this forum's Membership Agreement. It would be wrong because I have no positive evidence that you actually are.

But you might be!
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But we are dealing with conspiracy theories here. If there was evidence, there would be no conspiracy theory!
 
Anders Lindman said:
Was the price of steel best in Asia at the time when the steel was shipped?
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Would it not being best mean there was a cabal? What if Asian recievers simply offered the most ecological disposal? Or if it was part of a trade incentive? Or any of the thousands of possibilities that you have yet to think of?
 
Anders Lindman said:
Flawed logic. Try again.
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No Anders, you see in the real world evidence counts for more than made up stories, I know how much of a blow that's going to be to your entire philosophy but you're just going to have to live with it.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Whuhuhuhuh? If he didn't supply evidence it is not the opinion of another poster they are making stuff up?

Lack of logic. Try again.
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Garrison said:
No Anders, you see in the real world evidence counts for more than made up stories, I know how much of a blow that's going to be to your entire philosophy but you're just going to have to live with it.
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Your attempt to save Craig4 here fails. This is the initial statement: "Did Sale offer evidence? If not then yes Sale is making stuff up."

Can the see the failed logic in the statement? No? Let me show you. If Sale didn't offer any evidence, then that is no proof that he was making up the story.
 
JayUtah said:
I'm talking about your conspiracy theories, which are indistinguishable from fairy tales.
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The lawsuit IS the conspiracy theory discussed here. Unless you want to completely wander off topic into some fairy land territory.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Can the see the failed logic in the statement? No? Let me show you. If Sale didn't offer any evidence, then that is no proof that he was making up the story.
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That's because the burden of proof is on the claimant. Conversely, how would one prove a story is made up? That's not a rhetorical question; please answer.

The safer presumption is that a story is made up, except where the proponent is able to show evidence. One can only show direct evidence of actuality, not direct evidence of fantasy.

Now can you see why your logic fails? You misplace the burden of proof.
 
Anders Lindman said:
The lawsuit IS the conspiracy theory discussed here. Unless you want to completely wander off topic into some fairy land territory.
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The lawsuit is the lawsuit. You're the one loading it down with all sorts of supplementary supposition from other sources. I've already discussed the merits of the suit with you. You seem to think that despite its low evidentiary merit, you should believe in it anyway. Ergo you believe in and advocate fairy tales.
 
JayUtah said:
That's because the burden of proof is on the claimant. Conversely, how would one prove a story is made up? That's not a rhetorical question; please answer.

The safer presumption is that a story is made up, except where the proponent is able to show evidence. One can only show direct evidence of actuality, not direct evidence of fantasy.

Now can you see why your logic fails? You misplace the burden of proof.
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Don't try to twist what was discussed into something else. The logic in Craig4's initial statement remains flawed. And your inability to understand that doesn't entitle you to demand an answer for something unrelated to the topic at hand.
 
JayUtah said:
The lawsuit is the lawsuit. You're the one loading it down with all sorts of supplementary supposition from other sources. I've already discussed the merits of the suit with you. You seem to think that despite its low evidentiary merit, you should believe in it anyway. Ergo you believe in and advocate fairy tales.
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At face value the lawsuit looks kooky, I have already admitted that. But until we have an official dismissal of the lawsuit I'm willing to remain uncertain (and even if the lawsuit is dismissed I will probably still remain uncertain).
 
JayUtah said:
You seem to think that despite its low evidentiary merit, you should believe in it anyway. Ergo you believe in and advocate fairy tales.
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I know Anders doesn't consider himself a "woo", but his posts here betray him...
 
Anders Lindman said:
Your attempt to save Craig4 here fails. This is the initial statement: "Did Sale offer evidence? If not then yes Sale is making stuff up."

Can the see the failed logic in the statement? No? Let me show you. If Sale didn't offer any evidence, then that is no proof that he was making up the story.
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Allow me to try one more time to get you to understand how the real world works. If Sale makes a claim makes a claim and then fails to back it up then the assumption must be that he is just making up a story. I realize this is difficult for you because based on your past posts you can't tell the difference between a claim and evidence the claim is true.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Don't try to twist what was discussed into something else. The logic in Craig4's initial statement remains flawed. And your inability to understand that doesn't entitle you to demand an answer for something unrelated to the topic at hand.
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So in other words: after realizing you can't answer my question, you're going to try to bluster your way out of it.

I'm asking you to justify your placement of the burden of proof. If you can't or won't, just admit it up front, take your lumps, and move on.
 
JayUtah said:
So in other words: after realizing you can't answer my question, you're going to try to bluster your way out of it.

I'm asking you to justify your placement of the burden of proof. If you can't or won't, just admit it up front, take your lumps, and move on.
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Now you are walking into a la la land of jibberish. Before you get completely lost in an inane detour wandering away from the topic, off into a self-imposed oblivion, let's look at the original statement again: "Did Sale offer evidence? If not then yes Sale is making stuff up."

Do you see the flawed logic in that statement? Are you trying to be a troll or are you actually not seeing the falseness of that statement? :confused: Seriously.

Just because someone doesn't include evidence in an interview doesn't mean that what is being said is made-up stuff.

Please tell me you are pulling my leg. Because you can't seriously miss seeing something this obvious. Or can you?
 
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