The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

Yea, I've always found it odd that in order to rationalize their untenable beliefs, truthers apparently need to throw an entire profession under the bus.
 
silver birch said:
do not accuse me of lying
I called him a fire chief because as a british person I understood the title lieutenant to be a fairly high rank in the armed forces, having served in the forces myself. certainly above corporal, sargeant, sargeant major, and a rank which the lower ranks would salute. OK so in the FDNY it means something else.
NEVERTHELESS, I do not think his opinion is to be scoffed at, or ignored, as is a person of ANY rank serving in the FDNY. especially the firefighters who were lucky to get out of the buildings alive, some of whom, from what they saw and heard, do not believe the official story either.
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You assumed Lt was a high rank, you did not research it - same for your 911 knowledge, you assume the google poppycock you found was valid, and it was not.

With delusions on 911, Lt is a higher rank than deserved.


silver birch said:
what are the criteria?
how about the ones who are not afraid of losing their jobs for speaking up?
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Facts and evidence for a start, not lies and hearsay like you have. Try reality. You spread lies about 93 and 77, don't understand aircraft crashes, and you are blind to thousand of aircraft parts. Do you ever retract your failed claims?
 
sheeplesnshills said:
you were asked to source Skilling not Griffin. (do you know Griffin is a theologian don't you?). And Griffin lies when he says calcs were for a 707 at 600mph.
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In fairness, this claim was made to the press during construction by a Port Authority architect who evidently didn't know what he was talking about. See here. But of course Griffin and other CTs take it as gospel because it appears to bolster their delusions.
 
leftysergeant said:
That is totally un-called for. You imply that the ballsiest mofs in NYC can be intimidated into concelaing information concerning the murder of about three hundred of their brothers, that they would remain silent when their lungs start rotting out, that they could be bribed into silence when they would really want to destroy the career of a worthless poppinjay like Rotten Rudy.

Let me tell you something about how real men, especially fire fighters react to people who try to use fear to control them.

When frightened, people either become intimidated and accept control over them, or they get pissed off and take action against that which they fear.

Fire fighters are paid to force their way into the center of places where nobody with the sense that God gave houseflies wants to be. They spend a great part of their lives facing down one of the forces of nature that cause weaker soulls to melt into a pile of goo.

Take your fear of unemployment and put it someplace where it causes you discomfort. Fire fighters have no time for it.
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**** YEAH!!! Lefty, I couldn't have said it ANY better.

Well, I COULD, but it might result in a yellow card, but it would be EPIC!!

Cheers!
 
beachnut said:
You assumed Lt was a high rank, you did not research it - same for your 911 knowledge, you assume the google poppycock you found was valid, and it was not.

With delusions on 911, Lt is a higher rank than deserved.



Facts and evidence for a start, not lies and hearsay like you have. Try reality. You spread lies about 93 and 77, don't understand aircraft crashes, and you are blind to thousand of aircraft parts. Do you ever retract your failed claims?
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Had the poster actually served in any British military service he would know that Lt. is NOT a high rank....

Not a lot of honesty there
 
leftysergeant said:
That is totally un-called for. You imply that the ballsiest mofs in NYC can be intimidated into concelaing information concerning the murder of about three hundred of their brothers, that they would remain silent when their lungs start rotting out, that they could be bribed into silence when they would really want to destroy the career of a worthless poppinjay like Rotten Rudy.

Let me tell you something about how real men, especially fire fighters react to people who try to use fear to control them.

When frightened, people either become intimidated and accept control over them, or they get pissed off and take action against that which they fear.

Fire fighters are paid to force their way into the center of places where nobody with the sense that God gave houseflies wants to be. They spend a great part of their lives facing down one of the forces of nature that cause weaker soulls to melt into a pile of goo.

Take your fear of unemployment and put it someplace where it causes you discomfort. Fire fighters have no time for it.
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Huzzah.
 
silver birch said:
what are the criteria?
how about the ones who are not afraid of losing their jobs for speaking up?
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Straw herring.
They can easily speak up anonymously as "Deep Throat" did in the Watergate scandal. For the Largest Conspiracy Ever, no one has, because there's nothing to speak up about.

Deep Throat
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is the pseudonym given to the secret informant who provided information to Bob Woodward of The Washington Post in 1972 about the involvement of United States President Richard Nixon's administration in what came to be known as the Watergate scandal. Thirty-one years after Nixon's resignation, Deep Throat was revealed to be former Federal Bureau of Investigation Associate Director Mark Felt.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Throat





Then he died ! :eek:
 
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silver birch said:
what are the criteria?
how about the ones who are not afraid of losing their jobs for speaking up?
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Considering it's been 10 years and at least a third of them have probably reached retirement, your point is - worthless.
 
Considering it's been 10 years and at least a third of them have probably reached retirement, your point is - worthless.
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Also inconsistent with the popular CT-er belief that the government wouldn't kill/disappear/punish people for speaking up, because that would prove they had something to hide.

So not only do CT-ers make stuff up, they don't even bother to pretend to stay consistent about them.
 
NoahFence said:
You are a liar.

Not one syllable in that idiotic post is accurate, and what's more - you know it.
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if you want to accuse someone of lying, you can do no better than the commander in chief of the armed forces himself on 9/11 president bush. shortly after 9/11 in a press conference he stated- ''I watched the plane hit the tower live on tv at the school'', a lie.
watch the video made of him at the time, by the time he entered the classroom the north tower had been hit, and NOBODY watched that live on tv because it was not shown until the next day (by then the cartoon plane had been stuck on).
after the second hit, a secret service man tells him- america is under attack. what does the commander in chief do,
he sits there for 18 minutes reading a story about a goat, WITH A LOOK ON HIS FACE LIKE THE CAT WHO STOLE THE CREAM AND GOT AWAY WITH IT, is the best way I can describe it, he is in on the inside job, with the rest of the neocons and zionists.
 
silver birch said:
if you want to accuse someone of lying, you can do no better than the commander in chief of the armed forces himself on 9/11 president bush^..
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Moving the Goalposts.

Silver birch, seriously, children argue on your level. "Kevin, stop throwing dirt at Lisa!" - "But Jim threw a snowball at Janice last winter!" - "So? You need to stop throwing dirt at Lisa right now!"


Silver birch, how about earning some respect by admitting that you spoke the untruth when you promoted Lt. Anton to "chief", and that you now realize he never had anything to do with the 9/11 fire fighting effort, and is thus just one among millions of not specially experienced or qualified firefighters, having a fringe opinion? After showing you can be honest, we could then move on to what Lt. Anton said and see if there is much truth in it. If you are an honest man who likes facts and truths and despises lies, then you will quickly point out that most of what Lt. Anton presents as facts are not in fact facts. How about it?

Or go on pointing fingers and running away fromn your own responsibility to admit and correct your own errors!

You did not seriously think that Lieutenant is a high ranking officer, or you really know nothing at all about ranks in both the British Forces and the FDNY, right? Which one is it?
 
silver birch said:
2 more posts to keep you going
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q8tA2iqaXo&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=g3cpHxbIIV4
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Can you please provide a short summary of what we will see in the videos? The main claims, premises and conclusions? And a short comment of your own, indicating whether you have researched these claims, premises and conclusions and found them to be factual and consistent with known evidence?

Thanks.

Cuz you see, spamming youtube links without commenting them is considered both rude and unskeptical around here.
Plus, after this show of your incompetence and lack of research skills vz. officer ranks, we don't exactly trust you to be strong on research, general knowledge and facts. Excuse us, please.
 
Oystein said:
Moving the Goalposts.

Silver birch, seriously, children argue on your level. "Kevin, stop throwing dirt at Lisa!" - "But Jim threw a snowball at Janice last winter!" - "So? You need to stop throwing dirt at Lisa right now!"


I don't need any lectures on throwing dirt on this forum. ANY ''twoofer'' who turns up on here is going to have plenty of dirt thrown at them. so, which side has run out of the rational arguments?
take David Ray Griffen who has probably done more research than anybody in the 9/11 truth movement. look on this thread, an attempt at character assassination, David Ray Griffen- blah, blah, he's a theologean, he's a ''twoofer''. I suppose if he was an athiest that would be wrong.
from the book I quoted from- 'The new pearl harbour revisited', although I don't believe everthing in the book, most of it is true and as he names many witness of all the events of 9/11, these people can be checked on.
look at the reviews on amazon, out of 41 there are 32 5 star reviews.
anyway, never mind, they are just from stupid 'twoofers''
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silver birch said:
if you want to accuse someone of lying, you can do no better than the commander in chief of the armed forces himself on 9/11 president bush. shortly after 9/11 in a press conference he stated- ''I watched the plane hit the tower live on tv at the school'', a lie.
watch the video made of him at the time, by the time he entered the classroom the north tower had been hit, and NOBODY watched that live on tv because it was not shown until the next day (by then the cartoon plane had been stuck on).
after the second hit, a secret service man tells him- america is under attack. what does the commander in chief do,
he sits there for 18 minutes reading a story about a goat, WITH A LOOK ON HIS FACE LIKE THE CAT WHO STOLE THE CREAM AND GOT AWAY WITH IT, is the best way I can describe it, he is in on the inside job, with the rest of the neocons and zionists.
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Interspecies mind reading now are we, well that's what you get when you don't have physics. ALL CAPS DON'T MAKE TEH ARGUMENT BETTER.

IT'S THE JOOS!!!!
 
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silver birch said:
Oystein said:
Moving the Goalposts.

Silver birch, seriously, children argue on your level. "Kevin, stop throwing dirt at Lisa!" - "But Jim threw a snowball at Janice last winter!" - "So? You need to stop throwing dirt at Lisa right now!"


I don't need any lectures on throwing dirt on this forum. ANY ''twoofer'' who turns up on here is going to have plenty of dirt thrown at them. so, which side has run out of the rational arguments?
take David Ray Griffen who has probably done more research than anybody in the 9/11 truth movement. look on this thread, an attempt at character assassination, David Ray Griffen- blah, blah, he's a theologean, he's a ''twoofer''. I suppose if he was an athiest that would be wrong.
from the book I quoted from- 'The new pearl harbour revisited', although I don't believe everthing in the book, most of it is true and as he names many witness of all the events of 9/11, these people can be checked on.
look at the reviews on amazon, out of 41 there are 32 5 star reviews.
anyway, never mind, they are just from stupid 'twoofers''
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So only 32 truthers liked his book enough to give it 5 stars? (Hey, its as valid statistically as anything I've seen supporting DRG)
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silver birch said:
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I don't need any lectures on throwing dirt on this forum. ANY ''twoofer'' who turns up on here is going to have plenty of dirt thrown at them. so, which side has run out of the rational arguments?
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It is generally considered that Pointing Fingers at the Other Kid is usually done by people who feel caught in doing something illicit and try to divert attention away from them.
It is also generally considered that Moving the Goalposts is an evasion trick employed by people who just ran out of arguments, or never had any to begin with.

silver birch said:
take David Ray Griffen who has probably done more research than anybody in the 9/11 truth movement. look on this thread, an attempt at character assassination,
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Whoops, and there you go: Pointing Fingers and Moving Goalposts!

How about returning to the debate you just ran away from, and continue, or close, it with rationalk arguments? To remind you: We were talking about retired FDNY Lt. Vodvarka and how he wasn't what you made him to be, and how what you said he was but really wasn't (a fire chief, a man of the FD that actually witnessed 9/11) was central to your Argument from Authority, which thus turned out to be an Argument from FALSE Authority, and how you are avoiding the things he said, which you have already been shown to consist of many lies.
 
silver birch said:
32 out of a total of 41 is a pretty good %
the fact is you do not know who liked the book but did not write a review. the problem is you cannot post any review until you have made a purchase through amazon.
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So, do you think that this is an unbiased sampling technique? Would it work with a sampling of NYFD Fire Chiefs, at least those who are not LTs?
 
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