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Rick Santorum is an idiot, a bigot, and morally inconsistent...

Skeptic Ginger said:
You can hit 'quote' and the link will be shown, then paste it in 'search' on Google and you'll see the Youtube link as the first hit.

I prefer the ease of a direct link in the post.
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SFAIK there's no way to quote thread titles. :p

I could be wrong. :)
 
AlBell said:
@RandFan

Damn shame you couldn't have come up with a harder-hitting thread title. ;)

Why pull your punches?
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Yeah. I was not in happy mood when I posted it. :) No way in hell I would apologize though.
 
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I think as more and more people learn more and more about Santorum, it will be clear that his success in Iowa (in winning some 30,000 votes) was simply that he was the latest not-Romney flavor of the week who happened to hit his peak during that caucus.

I predict a steady downhill slide for Santorum. He's still in the cellar in national polls.

And the stuff that keeps coming out about him is really icky! I just ran across a quote where Santorum said that contraceptives are "a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."

Seriously! A would-be candidate for the office of President of the United States who thinks there is a "supposed to be" wrt to what consenting adults do in "a sexual realm". . .in the 21st Century!

That's so outside mainstream culture, that he deserves a sound laughing-at as he fades into oblivion.
 
Tatyana said:
Michelle Bachman's hubby is going to be the first to be found with a rent boy or molestering some poor young man.

What I have a really hard time understanding is how this man has been able to advance so far in American politics.
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In your heart, you know he's right.
 
Tricky said:
Because he's Typhoid Mary for the horrible disease called "racism". The US suffered tremendously from this disease for many years and though it has died down somewhat, it is still virulent and powerful and can flare up when a powerful strain is injected into society. While it is true that Santorum will probably never hold an important office again, he can still be a firebrand and a carrier for racism, homophobia, mysogeny and other sorts of diseases of hatred that plague civilization. We can only hope that exposure to Rick Santorum, like some vaccines work, will make our people's resistance to such ugly infections even stronger. But that's not a sure thing. He's certainly built up a colony of hate-infected people around him, so there must still be some people susceptible to the memetic germs he carries.
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Just out of curiosity, what exactly is racist about RS?
 
AlBell said:
SFAIK there's no way to quote thread titles. :p

I could be wrong. :)
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What are you talking about? I was referring to the linked Youtube video vs a link to the video on the Youtube site. :boggled:

What did you mean by: "I wish people wouldn't use the YouTube tags"?
 
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Pardalis said:
And I still addressed all three.
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No. You at least twice claimed that all I had was what it sounds like to me.

The other two are: 2) past examples of racist and bigoted rhetoric by Santorum (where being tongue tied was not a possible excuse) and 3) his finding it plausible that it was something he said to the extent that he started thinking of a reason for why he might have said "black people's lives". [ETA: NB: neither of these two lines of evidence depends at all on the first one, what Santorum appeared to have said in the video clip in question.]

Show me where you have rebutted these two?

[ETA: I've seen your flawed attempts to address them. For point 3, you made an argument that the journalist who told him he said that was wrong. Trouble is, that's irrelevant. I'm not arguing that the journalist was right or wrong. I'm arguing that Santorum's instant willingness to accept that he said "black people's lives" as something he would plausibly say is evidence that he might have started to say just that. And the only response to point 2 I've seen is your pointing out that even though he undoubtedly made racist and bigoted comments in the past, he might not have this time. That's true, but it doesn't change the fact that his record of having made these kinds of comments in the past makes it more credible that he might have started to say "black people's lives" in the video in question.]

I'll give you that my first line of evidence--what it sounded like to me and many other people--isn't very compelling on its own. Again, a skeptic provisionally accepts a proposition if the preponderance of ALL the evidence points that way.

I would add to my 3 lines of evidence a 4th line: racism among people with extreme religious views is relatively common. In other words, it fits in with a constellation of other irrational propositions Santorum espouses. (For example, the quote I recently provided where Santorum thinks contraceptives lead to behavior in "the sexual realm" that is contrary to how things are "supposed to be"--presumably either "supposed" by a deity or other supernatural entity or by Rick Santorum. This is a type of thinking that correlates highly with anti-black racism in the U.S.)
 
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leftysergeant said:
If we do go to war of any sort with Iran, you can bet that it would eventually turn out like Iraq.

There are other ways to deal with the situation that will not have such negative results. War is not the best option politically for Obama or the USA, nor is it strategicly a good idea.

On top of that, we cannot afford it without a massive tax hike, unless we are ready to accept even more massive debt and the loss of all social services ecconomic recovery programs.

America cannot afford a military moron like Santorum.

Do not buy the BS that the republicons are better leaders in time of war. Ask the Somali pirates whether they would rather face another edition of Bush the Lesser or Obama, especially after the action in the Persian Gulf yesterday.
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War? More like Communist Imperialism of the former USSR.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I think as more and more people learn more and more about Santorum, it will be clear that his success in Iowa (in winning some 30,000 votes) was simply that he was the latest not-Romney flavor of the week who happened to hit his peak during that caucus.

I predict a steady downhill slide for Santorum. He's still in the cellar in national polls.

And the stuff that keeps coming out about him is really icky! I just ran across a quote where Santorum said that contraceptives are "a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."

Seriously! A would-be candidate for the office of President of the United States who thinks there is a "supposed to be" wrt to what consenting adults do in "a sexual realm". . .in the 21st Century!

That's so outside mainstream culture, that he deserves a sound laughing-at as he fades into oblivion.
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That's true. He couldn't even hold his own state. He gets fifteen minutes of fame every four years, then sinks back into the slime.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
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That's so outside mainstream culture, that he deserves a sound laughing-at as he fades into oblivion.
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A large number of probable voters likely disagree with you.

Even so, I don't see Santorum getting the nom.
 
AlBell said:
A large number of probable voters likely disagree with you.
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Do you think "a large number of voters" believes it is part of our mainstream culture to reject contraceptives and reject recreational sex between consenting adults?

Even those relatively few voters who share Santorum's puritanical position on sex recognize that it's not the position of the mainstream culture.
 
RandFan said:
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Rick Santorum is an idiot, a bigot, and morally inconsistent...


or maybe he is just insane.

What do you think?
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And how is that any different from alllllll of the GOP contenders so far (except for Ron Paul)?

The biggest indicator that America is on the decline is the array of worthless morons that are being considered as serious candidates for the office of the President of the USA.

The founding fathers must be pulling their hair out in their graves.

It sends shivers up my spine and I become physically ill every time I consider that one of these vile, lying, morally bankrupt puppets is likely to lead the world soon..... the Mayans might be proven right after all.

But then I calm down and remember that whoever s/he is, it is really just a marionette with a hand up the insides operating the gears and the real control is in more ??sane?? hands.
 
johnny karate said:
...The use and acceptance of contraception is most certainly mainstream, and any political candidate advocating the opposite is a puritanical moron about a century or two behind the times.
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Didn't you hear that the Obama administration rejected the FDA's plan to provide Plan B over the counter?

But I guess that's not a contraceptive...
 
Lowpro said:
Didn't you hear that the Obama administration rejected the FDA's plan to provide Plan B over the counter?

But I guess that's not a contraceptive...
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Santorum advocates a state right to ban all contraceptives.

That's not remotely the equivalent of requiring a prescription for a massive dose of hormones. (I don't support Obama's decision, but these two aren't remotely equivalent.)

And elsewhere Santorum has expressed his rejection of even heterosexual recreational sex. He bemoans sex that is "deconstructed to the point where it's simply pleasure."
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Santorum advocates a state right to ban all contraceptives.

That's not remotely the equivalent of requiring a prescription for a massive dose of hormones. (I don't support Obama's decision, but these two aren't remotely equivalent.)

And elsewhere Santorum has expressed his rejection of even heterosexual recreational sex. He bemoans sex that is "deconstructed to the point where it's simply pleasure."
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Agreed but my context was more to be wry with Johnny Karate (who actually deleted the post's content that I was referring to)

Look Santorum's jaded but what's worse is his platform will do little for those wishes anyways. Even if he did get elected these decisions would be gridlocked and he'd fail so hard he'd walk out worse than W if he doesn't get impeached first. At the moment my only worry is that Obama will actually lose the presidential election (a fear that may be warranted, I don't know...I think he's shot himself in the foot once or twice unless he's trying to gain new favor from somewhere that's not where I am in the political scheme)
 
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