Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[JayUtah]

What the lawsuit is saying is that the bonds look fake, when in reality being genuine.

And what I'm saying is that this is an impossible condition because bond certificates are negotiable instruments.

 

[Anders Lindman]

And what I'm saying is that this is an impossible condition because bond certificates are negotiable instruments.

The claim is that those are special bonds, that can only be used in certain ways.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Related to the lawsuit is the shady historical dealings with gold. Remember for example when Roosevelt grabbed the gold from the U.S. citizens. That sounds like a pretty drastic and desperate move by the politicians.

"Executive Order 6102 is an Executive Order signed on April 5, 1933, by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, and Gold Certificates within the continental United States". The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

And in Asia a similar gold grabbing took place:

"Golden lily was the codename given to a project instigated by the Japanese Imperial family. The aim of the project was to rape Asia of its precious metals and mineral resources to feed the industrial revolution back home and the wealth of the Imperial family. ... Nobody knows how much gold and precious metals were in Korea and China at the turn of the 20th century. The accumulated mass of thousands of years of collection and refining in a region of the world which is abundant in natural deposits can neither be guessed at nor confirmed ... for the best part of 40 years the Japanese transferred unhindered, the bullion by ship to the motherland, to be hidden in giant vaults underneath the Imperial palace and underground storage facilitys in the mountains around Tokyo" -- http://joanphils.0catch.com/yamashita_s_treasure__golden_lilly__the_japanese_looting_spree.htm

And remember that I have speculated about how the rulers of the Asian nations were cooperating with each other in secret while pretending publicly to be each other's enemies. In the Second Sino-Japanese War for example, to have the Japanese military to loot all gold they could from the people in China was probably a planned event between the Chinese and Japanese leaders.

What happened the world over from the late 19th century and into the 20th century was a massive gold hoarding by the ruling powers.

Also: David Wilcock said that the Jews had a lot of gold that was robbed. He probably meant during the Holocaust. Horrible stuff.

 

[Dancing David]

See previous post #408. If other such bonds can be presented that indeed are genuine, then that would be an amazing circumstantial evidence.

Not really, you need to substantiate the ones presented, when were they issues,w hat were there numbers and under what authority were they recorded.

 

[JayUtah]

The claim is that those are special bonds, that can only be used in certain ways.

The claim is that they are "special" bond certificates when it's convenient for Keenan's needs arising out of this suit, but ordinary bonds when Keenan proposes a method of validating them. He can't have it both ways. The "special bonds" claim is more likely to make it seem like fake bond certificates were somehow real.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Not really, you need to substantiate the ones presented, when were they issues,w hat were there numbers and under what authority were they recorded.

There are different types of bonds mentioned in the lawsuit. One type is as old as from the 30s if I remember correctly. Another type is called Kennedy bonds. The same type of bonds would have to be presented for it to give strong support to the claims in the lawsuit.

 

[JayUtah]

There are different types of bonds mentioned in the lawsuit. One type is as old as from the 30s if I remember correctly. Another type is called Kennedy bonds. The same type of bonds would have to be presented for it to give strong support to the claims in the lawsuit.

Why is it so difficult for you to see that presenting any number and type of other bonds does not substantiate the existence of the ones Keenan says he once had?

 

[Anders Lindman]

More about secret gold dealings:

"The amount of gold shipped was more than the gold reserves of most central banks. The question then arises: where did this gold originate? The likelihood is that it was part of the vast amounts of gold plundered in WWII by the Axis powers.

The story about what really happened to the loot plundered by the Nazis and Japanese during WWII remains one of the best-kept secrets of the last fifty years. Few outside of the charmed circle of initiated insiders possess any knowledge whatsoever of the true dimensions of what can be described as the biggest cover-up of all time." -- http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_spoils_of_war.htm

 

[Anders Lindman]

Why is it so difficult for you to see that presenting any number and type of other bonds does not substantiate the existence of the ones Keenan says he once had?

Because those are very special bonds, not known to the public to even exist! So if some of those bonds can be presented and shown to be genuine, then that's an amazing story in itself. And it will be a strong support for the claims in the lawsuit.

 

[SpitfireIX]

The claim is that those are special bonds, that can only be used in certain ways.

Here is Article 3 of the Uniform Commercial Code, which deals with negotiable instruments. Please indicate the section or sections that discuss such "special" instruments.

 

[JayUtah]

Because those are very special bonds, not known to the public to even exist!

So in other words, they don't exist.

So if some of those bonds can be presented and shown to be genuine, then that's an amazing story in itself.

So in other words, Keenan has an amazing burden of proof to shoulder.

 

[Craig4]

The claim is that those are special bonds, that can only be used in certain ways.

No, that would defeat the purpose of debt instruments.

 

[Craig4]

Also: David Wilcock said that the Jews had a lot of gold that was robbed. He probably meant during the Holocaust. Horrible stuff.

We don't need David Wilcock to tell us that Jews in Europe were the victims of the largest robbery homicide in human history. That sad fact has nothing to do with forged bonds.

 

[Craig4]

Because those are very special bonds, not known to the public to even exist! So if some of those bonds can be presented and shown to be genuine, then that's an amazing story in itself. And it will be a strong support for the claims in the lawsuit.

Let me explain to you how this works. I'm a scam artist. I approach you (for whatever reason) and tell you I have this problem. I've got these "special debt instruments" that I need to move or cash in. Only they're stuck somewhere. I'm going to offer to cut you in on the proceeds from the sale of the instruments if you can loan me some money up front so I can hire lawyers/travel to where ever to get the bonds/pay banking fees... you get the idea. I'll even have the representative of a government/bank/UN sign a document granting you a certain number of the bonds in exchange for helping me out. You now loan me the money. At this point I "sign over" to you all these fraudulent bonds.

A more simple variation is to offer up the fraudulent bonds as collateral on a loan which guarantees the lender a very high return and then skip out once the loan is made. It looks like Keenan got left holding the fraudulent bonds but hasn't figured out that he's been scammed.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Here is Article 3 of the Uniform Commercial Code, which deals with negotiable instruments. Please indicate the section or sections that discuss such "special" instruments.

Two parties can enter a business agreement outside of that code.

 

[Anders Lindman]

We don't need David Wilcock to tell us that Jews in Europe were the victims of the largest robbery homicide in human history. That sad fact has nothing to do with forged bonds.

It was a gold hoarding going on for decades all over the world! And the bonds in the lawsuit are for the exchange of huge amounts of gold. And many more such bonds exist. So it's a debt of hundreds of trillions of dollars.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Two parties can enter a business agreement outside of that code.

Then the instruments in question would not be negotiable.

 

[JayUtah]

Two parties can enter a business agreement outside of that code.

Then, as stated, the instruments would not be negotiable and Keenan's claim to vet them via the Federal Reserve is vacated.

Either they are public instruments authenticable by the Federal Reserve, or they are something else. They cannot be both.

 

[Craig4]

It was a gold hoarding going on for decades all over the world! And the bonds in the lawsuit are for the exchange of huge amounts of gold. And many more such bonds exist. So it's a debt of hundreds of trillions of dollars.

There's no such thing as US gold bonds anymore. Bonds are instruments to buy and sell debt. It's odd you have such strong feelings about this when you don't know even the most basic facts about any of the issues in the lawsuit.

 

[sam81292]

Here is the part II they talked about in that show where 'anonymous' told David Wilcock to post the additional information, to make the situation safer for David:

And according to Wilcock he will post a part III later on.

Here is the show:

But thats the thing, that was the only thing that made it anything interesting in my eyes. And from what others on this thread has posted (unfortunatly I know little about the U.S legal system), they have offered rational explanaitions that make the whole thing seem too far fetched. And thats excluding the whole idea of a secret family thats members can live for over a 100 years and may or not be extraterrestrials. Sorry.