Rick Santorum is an idiot, a bigot, and morally inconsistent...

[JoeTheJuggler]

Except he wasn't talking about them blacks.

Again, the unsupported restatement of your position.

To review, this mini threadlet followed your argument that Santorum couldn't have been talking about blacks because the audience was white. TBKen pointed out that racist comments about black people are made at KKK rallies even when the audience is entirely white, pointing out the flaw in your reasoning.

Using your conclusion as a premise is circular reasoning or begging the question. It is not an argument that supports your position.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

But for the most part I don't see the GOP saying the govt simply needs to get out of the way. I see the GOP more as saying enough is already being spent to provide a safety net lets also provide a way for people to get out of poverty.

They are saying this because it is the narrative that the government is victimizing you the taxpayer.

That might be acceptable if the GOP didn't then tell the lie that the reason the government is victimizing you is because the poor want a safety net we can't afford. The truth is the real reason is the effect of lobbyists and the revolving door between government regulation writers and top corporate earning positions, not that we can't afford investment in infrastructure, education and a proper social safety net.

Want evidence? Look at who controls the narrative and who influences the legislators.

 

[Pardalis]

Using your conclusion as a premise is circular reasoning or begging the question. It is not an argument that supports your position.

Your only argument is that you think it sounded like "black". Not much better.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Usually you provide a link. I had to go find it link. Shame on you. I'll look at it now.

Sorry, missed this.

I did provide a link, but I apologize for not reposting it.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Your only argument is that you think it sounded like "black". Not much better.

That's disingenuous, Pard. Joe's been making the same arguments as I have and it is much more than simply "sounded like".

 

[Pardalis]

One can't argue with someone who pretends to have special gifts in perceiving subliminal subconscious hidden messages in speech patterns and slips of the tongue.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

One can't argue with someone who pretends to have special gifts in perceiving subliminal subconscious hidden messages in speech patterns and slips of the tongue.

What a load of straw. Can you do no better than this? Sometimes you can be reasonable, but here it's more like sour grapes.

 

[thaiboxerken]

What a load of straw. Can you do no better than this? Sometimes you can be reasonable, but here it's more like sour grapes.

When Santorum talks about not giving black people handouts he's really not talking about black people at all.

 

[Pardalis]

For the record, I said, "I agree with the conclusions this was an unconscious slip up,
[...]
I'm pretty sure if Santorum said "black people" he wasn't intentionally trying to play on Iowa racism. That only leaves an unconscious slip up[...]

I don't need to use psychoanalysis to determine the motive behind various themes in a campaign spiel. Those are rather obvious much of the time. If you don't see the patterns in campaign speeches

Your words.

You have this special way to see patterns in subconscious slips made by politicians during campaigns. Is it like a superpower?

BTW, how can it be both unconscious slip and conscious campaign spiel at the same time?

 

[Pardalis]

If DOC or Jude Brando came up with the same theories about slips made by democratic Democrats and patterns in their choice of words (or is it unconscious choice of words?) you'd be screaming that they're crazy, and you'd be right.

 

[joobz]

Santorum is a social conservative and seems to place these issues above fiscal conservative policies.

I fully disagree with his agenda and I believe in 10-20 years, he will look like an sad anachronism. Much like how one views Strom Thurmond.

 

[Tricky]

I went and checked and black people are only 3% of the population in Iowa. I don't see why he would single them out for no apparent reason.

Duh. Because he thought he had a crowd who would be okay with it. I guess he forgot the television cameras were on.

 

[Pardalis]

That and the fact that there aren't that many black people in Iowa. Only 2.48%. I guess he forgot the television cameras were on.

Again, starting with the false idea that he was talking about black people.

If you remove that false presupposition from your mind, for one second, the speech is entirely consistent and benign.

 

[Tricky]

Again, starting with the false idea that he was talking about black people.

If you remove that false presupposition from your mind, for one second, the speech is entirely consistent and benign.

Oddlly, Anderson Cooper got that idea too, especially since Santorum didn't deny it at the time. The denial came later. Does that tell you anything?

 

[Pardalis]

Oddlly, Anderson Cooper got that idea too, especially since Santorum didn't deny it at the time. The denial came later. Does that tell you anything?

It tells me that we've discussed this at length earlier.

 

[Tricky]

It tells me that we've discussed this at length earlier.

Did you lose that argument too?

 

[Pardalis]

Did you lose that argument too?

No, it's ongoing. People don't want to even consider that he didn't say it.

Can't you do the mental exercise of removing that idea from your mind and just read his full comment for itself and see how it fits?

 

[joobz]

I just listened to the video.
I didn't hear him say anything about black people.

I had to read the transcript and then re-listen.
even then, I still didn't hear it.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Did you lose that argument too?

In a river in Egypt kind of way, I believe he did.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I just listened to the video.
I didn't hear him say anything about black people.

I had to read the transcript and then re-listen.
even then, I still didn't hear it.

What did you think he said, just out of curiosity?