• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

Rick Perry Thinks Canada Is Not A Foreign Country

Pardalis said:
English is not prohibited in Qc, but French has to have predominance. That's all.
Click to expand...

That's all? That still seems to be an unwarranted intrusion. What, exactly, justifies Government mandating the use of French over English in a predominately English speaking country?

I cannot imagine Arizona requiring Spanish to be predominate. Actually, in the case of Arizona, I can imagine the opposite.



That's because we are a founding nation.
Click to expand...


Who is "we" and what did you found, and how is that relevent? Not being argumentative - I honestly don't udnerstand.
 
The only reason why Canada is scared to see us go is because they want to keep having access to the St Lawrence River, the main entry point for all shipments.
 
Pardalis said:
I did. Your comparison is ludicrous.
Click to expand...


And your justification for language laws is equally ludicrous. "Oh no! We're surrounded by Anglophones! Surely they will swamp us with their culture! In spite of how vibrant and strong I just said Francophone culture is!"


Pardalis said:
Anyway, we don't have to hang portraits of the Queen to remind ourselves we are different was my point.
Click to expand...


Yes, instead you have St. Jean Baptiste Day to remind yourself you are different. What exactly is the substantive difference?
 
Corsair 115 said:
And your justification for language laws is equally ludicrous. "Oh no! We're surrounded by Anglophones! Surely they will swamp us with their culture! In spite of how vibrant and strong I just said Francophone culture is!"
Click to expand...

It's not ludicrous, numbers are not ludicrous. The demographic pressure isn't comparable to Mexico.

Yes, instead you have St. Jean Baptiste Day to remind yourself you are different. What exactly is the substantive difference?
Click to expand...

Every nation has its patriotic holiday, come on, you're running out of arguments.
 
Pardalis said:
The only reason why Canada is scared to see us go is because they want to keep having access to the St Lawrence River, the main entry point for all shipments.
Click to expand...


The only reason the sovereignists haven't asked a straight-up question on separation in previous referendums is because they'll know it would lose.
 
Pardalis said:
It's not ludicrous, numbers are not ludicrous. The demographic pressure isn't comparable to Mexico.
Click to expand...


And what demographic pressure is this exactly? You still haven't answered: what difference does it make what language is spoken outside Quebec as long as Francophones raise their children as French inside Quebec? The mere existence of non-Francophones outside Quebec suddenly renders the province into helpless putty?


Pardalis said:
Every nation has its patriotic holiday, come on, you're running out of arguments.
Click to expand...


And you miss the point. So those things which are used to remind Francophones of their culture are not crutches or cheap, but those used in English Canada are. You honestly don't see the double standard you are engaging in?
 
Corsair 115 said:
And what demographic pressure is this exactly? You still haven't answered: what difference does it make what language is spoken outside Quebec as long as Francophones raise their children as French inside Quebec? The mere existence of non-Francophones outside Quebec suddenly renders the province into helpless putty?
Click to expand...
Qc doesn't exist in a vacuum

And you miss the point. So those things which are used to remind Francophones of their culture are not crutches or cheap, but those used in English Canada are. You honestly don't see the double standard you are engaging in?
Click to expand...
You can celebrate Canada Day all you want, it's still the dullest day of the year.

I like English culture, but I don't want the monarchy of another country to be shoved down my throat just because you can't find anything else to differenciate yourself from the US.
 
Last edited:
Pardalis said:
You can celebrate Canada Day all you want, it's still the dullest day of the year.
Click to expand...

No, January 2 is usually the dullest day of the year. July 1 is usually quite pleasant here.

Pardalis said:
I like English culture, but I don't want the monarchy of another country to be shoved down my throat just because you can't find anything else to differenciate yourself from the US.
Click to expand...

I must say that I am surprised to learn that living in Quebec apparently results in having "the monarchy of another country shoved down (your) throat". If you want to avoid this perhaps I might recommend moving to BC. I find that I can go weeks or months at a time here without hearing any mention of the British monarchy. Living here has the added bonus of a little exposure to English culture, which you profess to like, along with Chinese, Indian, Japanese, First Nations (or Aboriginal - I tend to lose track of the currently PC term), and Greek cultures, to name only the most prominent. You will also quite likely find us, as a group, to be subtly but noticeably different from our neighbors in Washington State to the south, even without the forced ingestion of monarchy.
 
So it is true then. In Quebec, Canadians are restricted in their use of English, and the primary reason is Francophone fear (or distaste) of English? I believe my original impression was essentially correct.
 
sarge said:
Is there something inherently beneficial to Canadian society about having a francophone minority, or are the rights (as defined by whatever Canada's equivalent of a Constitution is) of the Francophones violated if languages in addition to French are allowed?

It does not seem strange that French would be allowed in public business, especially with 25% of the population speaking French primarily. It does seem strange that French would be required in a nation where only 25% of the population speaks French.
Click to expand...

french canada's right to language and religion was quaranteed in the BNA act of 1867, which confederated canada into a nation.
they were reinforced when the canadian constitution was adopted in 1982.

i have never had a problem with the bilingual nature of canada.
 
Pardalis said:
But I actually like the fact that Harper is desperately trying to generate a national identity by forcing monarchy back where it had disappeared (like renaming the Armed Forces), ....
Click to expand...
What was the old name? What is the new name? Really, I'm just asking. I have little to no interest in this tempest in a teapot but this did tweak my curiosity.

Pardalis said:
This year he's going to make a diplomatic faux-pas by bombastically commemorating the 1812 war. I can't wait to see the US' reaction.
Click to expand...
*Yawn*
 
Pardalis said:
The only reason why Canada is scared to see us go is because they want to keep having access to the St Lawrence River, the main entry point for all shipments.
Click to expand...

Complete and utter nonsense. The reason is quite simple. Quebec belongs to the rest of Canada just as much as it belongs to whoever decides to live in Quebec.
 
sarge said:
In Quebec, Canadians are restricted in their use of English, and the primary reason is Francophone fear (or distaste) of English?
Click to expand...

No they can speak English all they want, those measures are just for the preservation of French.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom