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Christians believe that they are superior to Jews

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Christians believe that only through Jesus Christ, they can get to Heaven.

Knowing that Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ, Jews cannot possibly go to Heaven.

(Jews believe that all non-Jews can also go to Heaven)

Like the Muslims, who consider non-believers in Allah/Muhammad as inferior Infidels, Christians consider themselves superior to Jews.

If you believe that your group will go to Heaven and consider the "others" lost, are you not "special"?
 
Not according to Paul

Romans 11
11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
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boyntonstu said:
Christians believe that only through Jesus Christ, they can get to Heaven.

Knowing that Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ, Jews cannot possibly go to Heaven.
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That's not true. At least, it's not true for all Christians (you are aware that not every Christian sect, much less every individual Christian, believes the exact same things, right?).

The official position of the Catholic Church, for instance, is that being a member of the RCC is the best way to salvation, but not the only way. Pope Paul VI's bull on the subject, Lumen Gentium, even explicitly mentions Jews and Muslims.

Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19*) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life.
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boyntonstu said:
Christians believe that only through Jesus Christ, they can get to Heaven.

Knowing that Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ, Jews cannot possibly go to Heaven.

(Jews believe that all non-Jews can also go to Heaven)

Like the Muslims, who consider non-believers in Allah/Muhammad as inferior Infidels, Christians consider themselves superior to Jews.

If you believe that your group will go to Heaven and consider the "others" lost, are you not "special"?
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If you want the prophetic chain theory, first came Moses and gave us the Torah, followed by Christ, who gave us the New Testament, followed by Mohammed who finalized things with the Koran, unless you're a Bah'ai in which the process is ongoing.

So superior may not be the right word, People of the Book, yes, and a good bit of the Old Testament draws from Jewish sources.
 
The Basics of Eternal Salvation Through Jesus Christ

http://www.bible-knowledge.com/what-is-salvation/

As you will see in the very powerful verses I will be listing in this article – Jesus Christ, and His sacrificial death on the cross, is the central and most important fundamental, basic tenet of the Christian faith. Jesus Christ is God’s only plan of eternal salvation for the entire world.

The Bible specifically says, without any other possible interpretation, that there is only one God, one faith, one baptism, and one way to God the Father – and that is only through His Son Jesus Christ and His sacrificial death on the cross. Jesus says that He, and only He, is the way, the truth, and the life leading to God the Father and that no one comes to the Father except through Him!

From the New Testament:

“Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12 )

“For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all …” (1 Timothy 2:5 )

“There is one body and one Spirit … one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:4 )

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6 )

“I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and find pasture … I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” (John 10:9 )

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.” (John 11:25 )

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” (John 8:12 )

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35 )

“I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” (John 6:51 )

“… whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:15-16 )

“He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (John 3:36 )

“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24 )

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.” (John 5:24 )

“… And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; He who does not have the Son of God does not have life.” (1 John 5:11 )

“And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.” (1 John 4:14 )

P.S. If Christians believed that other religions would do OK on their own, why do they proselytize and send missionaries to "save' and convert others?
 
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TheBasicsofEternalSalvationThroughJesusChristhtp://www.bible-knowledge.com/what-is-salvation/AsyouwillseeintheverypowerfulversesIwillbelistinginthisarticle–JesusChrist,andHissacrificialdeathonthecross,isthecentralandmostimportantfundamental,basictenetoftheChristianfaith.JesusChristisGod’sonlyplanofeternalsalvationfortheentireworld.TheBiblespecificallysays,withoutanyotherpossibleinterpretation,thatthereisonlyoneGod,onefaith,onebaptism,andonewaytoGodtheFather–andthatisonlythroughHisSonJesusChristandHissacrificialdeathonthecross.JesussaysthatHe,andonlyHe,istheway,thetruth,andthelifeleadingtoGodtheFatherandthatnoonecomestotheFatherexceptthroughHim!FromtheNewTestament:“Noristheresalvationinanyother,forthereisnoothernameunderheavengivenamongmenbywhichwemustbesaved.”(Acts4:12)“ForthereisoneGodandoneMediatorbetweenGodandmen,theManChristJesus,whogaveHimselfaransomforall…”(1Timothy2:5)“ThereisonebodyandoneSpirit…oneLord,onefaith,onebaptism,oneGodandFatherofall,whoisaboveall,andthroughall,andinyouall.”(Ephesians4:4)Jesussaidtohim,“Iamtheway,thetruth,andthelife.NoonecomestotheFatherexceptthroughMe.”(John14:6)“Iamthedoor.IfanyoneentersbyMe,hewillbesaved,andwillgoinandfindpasture…Ihavecomethattheymayhavelife,andthattheymayhaveitmoreabundantly.”(John10:9)Jesussaidtoher,“Iamtheresurrectionandthelife,hewhobelievesinMe,thoughhemaydie,heshalllive.AndwhoeverlivesandbelievesinMeshallneverdie.”(John11:25)ThenJesusspoketothemagain,saying,“Iamthelightoftheworld.HewhofollowsMeshallnotwalkindarkness,buthavethelightoflife.”(John8:12)AndJesussaidtothem,“Iamthebreadoflife.HewhocomestoMeshallneverhungerandhewhobelievesinMeshallneverthirst.”(John6:35)“Iamthelivingbreadwhichcamedownfromheaven.Ifanyoneeatsofthisbread,hewillliveforever;andthebreadthatIshallgiveisMyflesh,whichIshallgiveforthelifeoftheworld.”(John6:51)“…whoeverbelievesinHimshouldnotperishbuthaveeternallife.ForGodsolovedtheworldthatHegaveHisonlybegottenSon,thatwhoeverbelievesinHimshouldnotperishbuthaveeverlastinglife.”(John3:15-16)“HewhobelievesintheSonhaseverlastinglife;andhewhodoesnotbelievetheSonshallnotseelife,butthewrathofGodabidesonhim.”(John3:36)“ThereforeIsaidtoyouthatyouwilldieinyoursins;forifyoudonotbelievethatIamHe,youwilldieinyoursins.”(John8:24)“Mostassuredly,Isaytoyou,hewhohearsMywordandbelievesinHimwhosentMehaseverlastinglife,andshallnotcomeintojudgment,buthaspassedfromdeathtolife.”(John5:24)“…Andthisisthetestimony:thatGodhasgivenuseternallifeandthislifeisinHisSon.HewhohastheSonhaslife;HewhodoesnothavetheSonofGoddoesnothavelife.”(1John5:11)“AndwehaveseenandtestifythattheFatherhassenttheSonasSavioroftheworld.WhoeverconfessesthatJesusistheSonofGod,Godabidesinhim,andheinGod.”(1John4:14)
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Sorry, what?
 
One set of delusionauts argues with another set of delusionauts. Film at 11.
 
Agatha said:
One set of delusionauts argues with another set of delusionauts. Film at 11.
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Actually someone asked a question and some attempted to answer it. You don't agree, don't read the thread. Flying Spagetti Monster forbid there be one interesting discussion on Religion without it getting tanked at the beginning by an Atheist who just can't ignore the thread.
 
boyntonstu said:
The Basics of Eternal Salvation Through Jesus Christ

http://www.bible-knowledge.com/what-is-salvation/
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They speak for all Christians everywhere, do they?

Well, at least you're consistent in your delusion that every member of a particular religion believes and acts in an identical fashion, and don't just single out Muslims in that regard.

P.S. If Christians believed that other religions would do OK on their own, why do they proselytize and send missionaries to "save' and convert others?
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Because they believe that while their way may not be the only way, they believe that their way is a better way.

To use an analogy in the hopes that you might actually understand: it's certainly possible to walk from New York to Los Angeles, but it's far far better to fly there.

And regarding Jews specifically, you might want to read this: Catholics reject evangelization of Jews:

The Catholic Church, which spent hundreds of years trying forcibly to convert Jews to Christianity, has come to the conclusion that it is theologically unacceptable to target Jews for evangelization, according to a statement issued yesterday by organizations representing US Catholic bishops and rabbis from the country’s two largest Jewish denominations.

Citing teachings dating back to the Second Vatican Council, and statements by Pope John Paul II throughout his papacy, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops declared unequivocally that the biblical covenant between Jews and God is valid and therefore Jews do not need to be saved through faith in Jesus.

”A deepening Catholic appreciation of the eternal covenant between God and the Jewish people, together with a recognition of a divinely-given mission to Jews to witness to God’s faithful love, lead to the conclusion that campaigns that target Jews for conversion to Christianity are no longer theologically acceptable in the Catholic Church,” declares the document, ”Reflections on Covenant and Mission.”
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boyntonstu said:
The Basics of Eternal Salvation Through Jesus Christ

http://www.bible-knowledge.com/what-is-salvation/

As you will see in the very powerful verses I will be listing in this article – Jesus Christ, and His sacrificial death on the cross, is the central and most important fundamental, basic tenet of the Christian faith. Jesus Christ is God’s only plan of eternal salvation for the entire world.

The Bible specifically says, without any other possible interpretation, that there is only one God, one faith, one baptism, and one way to God the Father – and that is only through His Son Jesus Christ and His sacrificial death on the cross. Jesus says that He, and only He, is the way, the truth, and the life leading to God the Father and that no one comes to the Father except through Him!

From the New Testament:

“Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12 )

“For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all …” (1 Timothy 2:5 )

“There is one body and one Spirit … one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:4 )

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6 )

“I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and find pasture … I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” (John 10:9 )

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.” (John 11:25 )

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” (John 8:12 )

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35 )

“I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” (John 6:51 )

“… whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:15-16 )

“He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (John 3:36 )

“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24 )

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.” (John 5:24 )

“… And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; He who does not have the Son of God does not have life.” (1 John 5:11 )

“And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.” (1 John 4:14 )

P.S. If Christians believed that other religions would do OK on their own, why do they proselytize and send missionaries to "save' and convert others?
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There is no evidence that Jesus the Jew ever said those things.
 
mikeyx said:
Actually someone asked a question and some attempted to answer it. You don't agree, don't read the thread. Flying Spagetti Monster forbid there be one interesting discussion on Religion without it getting tanked at the beginning by an Atheist who just can't ignore the thread.
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My posts are not so powerful that they prevent any interested parties from posting. If you don't like my posts, kindly put me on ignore instead of following me around the board sniping. As you are not a moderator I do not appreciate your attempt to prevent me from posting my opinion, if I so choose.

The word "atheist" should only be capitalised at the beginning of a sentence; it is incorrect use of English to capitalise it mid-sentence. Hope that helps.
 
Don't Jews believe they are God's chosen people?

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, it makes sense (to me atleast) that the people who follow a certain religion will be favoured in that religion. Otherwise what is the point of following it in the first place?
 
Well, they can certainly believe that.

However, there is only one truly superior type of person.

Me.
 
The Catholic Church, which spent hundreds of years trying forcibly to convert Jews to Christianity, has come to the conclusion that it is theologically unacceptable to target Jews for evangelization, according to a statement issued yesterday by organizations representing US Catholic bishops and rabbis from the country’s two largest Jewish denominations.

Citing teachings dating back to the Second Vatican Council, and statements by Pope John Paul II throughout his papacy, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops declared unequivocally that the biblical covenant between Jews and God is valid and therefore Jews do not need to be saved through faith in Jesus.

”A deepening Catholic appreciation of the eternal covenant between God and the Jewish people, together with a recognition of a divinely-given mission to Jews to witness to God’s faithful love, lead to the conclusion that campaigns that target Jews for conversion to Christianity are no longer theologically acceptable in the Catholic Church,” declares the document, ”Reflections on Covenant and Mission.”


If the Catholic Church received the truth directly from Jesus Christ, why then did they murder and attempt to convert Jews for hundreds of years?

What changed?
 
maggot9779 said:
Don't Jews believe they are God's chosen people?

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, it makes sense (to me atleast) that the people who follow a certain religion will be favoured in that religion. Otherwise what is the point of following it in the first place?
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Indeed. This seems to me about as nonsensical as starting a thread with the revelation that Trekkies think Star Trek is better than Babylon 5.
 
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