JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

[Tomtomkent]

Classic, "I am open to anything except for the historical reality."

BTW, are you ever going to explain why you intentionally lied about LHO being "fluent in Russian?"

Or about not seeing the exit wound on the photograph.
Or about seeing Jackie picking up brains.
Or about having "accurately" reproduced the backyard photo.
Or about Walter "making stuff up".
Or about that cropped and rotated photo being of the back of the head.
Or about not believing what mariana said (then citing her as "proof" of which photos she did not take).

 

[Robert Prey]

There's a tendency amongst, let's call them Leftists who strive to exonerate Oswald because, well, it looks pretty bad for the president's assassin to be a Communist. So they minimize Oswald and focus on oilmen and war-mongers and a "climate of right-wing hate" in Dallas.

So why is a seemingly committed Righty like RP trying so hard to deflect from Oswald, his ideological enemy? To pin the blame on LBJ? There are plenty of real world reasons to oppose LBJ, why invent one?

Facts speak much louder than political preference. And I ain't no "righty" nor was Oswald a Commie.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Facts speak much louder than political preference. And I ain't no "righty" nor was Oswald a Commie.

Erm...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223197

Yeah. Your right wing views are apparent.
And again....
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225670

And as you have yet to offer any kind of substantiated proof that Oswald was a double agent, or a spy, or anything other than he claimed to be, then all evidence points to Oswald being a Marxist.

 

[bynmdsue]

Facts speak much louder than political preference. And I ain't no "righty" nor was Oswald a Commie.

Dude, if you ain't no right-winger then words simply have no meaning anymore.

 

[Walter Ego]

The Parkland observations -- 30 or so witnesses independently corroborating each other -- is as solid evidence as there could be.

Back to chanting your mantra I see.

Zapruder never viewed the back of the President's Head. Neither did you. But the Parkland doctors did.

The Z film is hardly "tangible": evidence. Nor is it fraud proof. The Best Evidence is the condition of the wounds of the fatal shot to the head, observed and described by the doctors and attendants at Parkland.

Attempts to divert the subject from the statements of witnesses on the scene at Parkland, to varying interpretations of the Z film, are useless. I do not use the Z film to prove conspiracy. I cite the 20 or so witnesses at Parkland. Deal with that, if you can.

The Z film is all open to interpretation which is why you prefer to discuss it as opposed to that which is not open to interpretation, namely, the contemporaneous observations of the Doctors, Nurses and Attendants at Parkland. That you cannot mis-interpret.

The Parkland witnesses got to actually see the evidence before it was re-created and then hidden.

Repeat it enough times and maybe it will be true.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Facts speak much louder than political preference. And I ain't no "righty" nor was Oswald a Commie.

Bang! lol

Robert, you are simply smoking them in the Stundies. If you really want to nail this trolling thing, you should go there and proclaim your sincerity. That'll just slay them!

 

[HSienzant]

He was speaking of the absence of that conical explosive formation forward of the President, meaning, the fatal shot, in his view, did not come from behind.

What is that large formation cleary visible in the z-film in frame 313? the one that obscures Jackie's face? Neither you nor he see that?

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z313.jpg

and of course, as already pointed out, there is no such formation on the rear of the president's head, so it is clear the shot did not exit there.

Next: You will be claiming none of this matters anyway, because the Zapruder film, like all the other evidence that is in opposition to your views, is forged.

 

[HSienzant]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey
The Parkland witnesses got to actually see the evidence before it was re-created and then hidden.

Did Robert really say that? I haven't come across that yet (or I missed the import the first time. If he claimed that, then he is buying into the lunatic asylum theories of David Lifton.

Robert, do you believe the body of JFK was altered? If so, when was Connally's body altered, because the altering of one of necessity means the other was likewise altered.

 

[HSienzant]

So, having failed to prove a Lone Nut assassin of the President, you now prefer to engage in a side issue of the shooting ot Tippit? Even if, how does that prove a Lone Nutter conspiracy???

Seriously, Robert.

You wrote this in post 983:

The unsupported claim on this board, is that it was Oswald's pistol that was used to kill Tippit. When questioned as to how that was proven, nobody on this board seemed to know.

I am responding to that point *you* raised.

Here's the facts. The shells found at the scene are traceable to the revolver purchased by Lee Harvey Oswald and wrested from his hand in the theatre.

Oswald shot and killed police officer J.D.Tippit about 45 minutes after the President was assassinated.

Again, I know you are going to argue that an automatic was used to kill Tippit. If that's the case, why didn't the conspirators who were trying to frame Oswald do either of the [rather obvious choices] following:

a) Shoot Tippit with a revolver?
b) Frame Oswald for purchasing an automatic weapon?

Can you answer the question?

I doubt it, as none of the conspiracy books even try to address simple questions like these raised by their theories.

All the best,
Hank

 

[Robert Prey]

Seriously, Robert.

You wrote this in post 983:


I am responding to that point *you* raised.

Here's the facts. The shells found at the scene are traceable to the revolver purchased by Lee Harvey Oswald and wrested from his hand in the theatre.

Oswald shot and killed police officer J.D.Tippit about 45 minutes after the President was assassinated.

Again, I know you are going to argue that an automatic was used to kill Tippit. If that's the case, why didn't the conspirators who were trying to frame Oswald do either of the [rather obvious choices] following:

a) Shoot Tippit with a revolver?
b) Frame Oswald for purchasing an automatic weapon?

Can you answer the question?

I doubt it, as none of the conspiracy books even try to address simple questions like these raised by their theories.

All the best,
Hank

How does that prove a non-conspiracy?

 

[Robert Prey]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey
The Parkland witnesses got to actually see the evidence before it was re-created and then hidden.

Did Robert really say that? I haven't come across that yet (or I missed the import the first time. If he claimed that, then he is buying into the lunatic asylum theories of David Lifton.

Robert, do you believe the body of JFK was altered? If so, when was Connally's body altered, because the altering of one of necessity means the other was likewise altered.

Irrelevant and speculative questions that are Red Herrings to avoid the truth of 30 plus first hand witnesses at Parkland observing a large blow-out in the back of the President's head.

 

[Robert Prey]

What is that large formation cleary visible in the z-film in frame 313? the one that obscures Jackie's face? Neither you nor he see that?

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z313.jpg

and of course, as already pointed out, there is no such formation on the rear of the president's head, so it is clear the shot did not exit there.

Next: You will be claiming none of this matters anyway, because the Zapruder film, like all the other evidence that is in opposition to your views, is forged.

The truth of what is seen, or unseen in the Z film is revealed in the 30 or so first hand Parkland witnesses who observed a large blow-out in the back of the President's head.

 

[Robert Prey]

Erm...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223197

Yeah. Your right wing views are apparent.
And again....
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225670

And as you have yet to offer any kind of substantiated proof that Oswald was a double agent, or a spy, or anything other than he claimed to be, then all evidence points to Oswald being a Marxist.

He claimed to be a Marxist, Also volunteered for Marine Corps, just like most Marxists, also worked for Navel Intell with security clearance just like any other Marxist, also had ties to Army Intell, FBI and CIA like every other Marxist. Also involved in Fair Play For Cuba Committee consisting of just himself, also involved with anti-Castro Cubans. Just another every day Marxist assassin, eh?

 

[RoboTimbo]

The truth of what is seen, or unseen in the Z film is revealed in the 30 or so first hand Parkland witnesses who observed a large blow-out in the back of the President's head.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." Bang!

 

[HSienzant]

Nothing is "clearly visible" in the Z film. Nothing contradicts the Parkland witnesses. An exit wound in the front? What the devil are you talking about? All you can see in the Z film is a blur of blood and tissue sprayed upward which is consistent with a shot from the front using a frangible bullet. The death stare pre-autopsy pic is taken from the HSCA collection by Charles Groden.

I'll just point out the most obvious error by Robert Prey here.
Charles Grodin is the actor.
Robert Groden is the person who sold the photos taken at Bethesda to the Globe for $50,000.

 

[Tomtomkent]

He claimed to be a Marxist, Also volunteered for Marine Corps, just like most Marxists, also worked for Navel Intell with security clearance just like any other Marxist, also had ties to Army Intell, FBI and CIA like every other Marxist. Also involved in Fair Play For Cuba Committee consisting of just himself, also involved with anti-Castro Cubans. Just another every day Marxist assassin, eh?

Any of that you want to try and prove?

Oswald was a marxist, who went "under cover" and made up stories. Big deal. What evidence do you have otherwise?

 

[Tomtomkent]

The truth of what is seen, or unseen in the Z film is revealed in the 30 or so first hand Parkland witnesses who observed a large blow-out in the back of the President's head.

Or to put it another way, the 30 (rob lost 10) claims are not supported by the material evidence. Clearly the material evidence proves them wrong.

It is even proven wrong by the photos robert posted. Hurrah!

 

[Tomtomkent]

I'll just point out the most obvious error by Robert Prey here.
Charles Grodin is the actor.
Robert Groden is the person who sold the photos taken at Bethesda to the Globe for $50,000.

I'll repeat the flaws in his logic, as it is always funny for him to be unable to answer it;

The ejecta from "an entry wound from a frangeble bullet" is visible. The bullet appparently caused a small entry wound (despite all that ejecta) then a massive exit wond.

Except we can't see the mass ejected from the back of JFKs head.

Nor can we see the exit wound itself on the back of the head. In the photos Robert posted, the Z film, or any other photo.

Now we have to wonder what mass was left to blow out the back of the head, as it was all apparently propelled UP RANGE by the fragmenting bullet.

Or how it apparently overcame newtonian physics to go spread out in so many directions from a small hole.

Or how long the bullet remained in his head before bothering to explode out.

Or how it remained invisible to all cameras.

 

[Robert Prey]

I'll just point out the most obvious error by Robert Prey here.
Charles Grodin is the actor.
Robert Groden is the person who sold the photos taken at Bethesda to the Globe for $50,000.

Whoa, you sure got me there. Now exactly what does that have to do with the price of bananas?

 

[SpitfireIX]

How does that prove a non-conspiracy?

Burden-of-proof shifting. The burden is on you to prove that there is a conspiracy.