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National Defense Authorization Act

Virus said:
You can fight wars against terrorist organizations.
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I think that's an overly broad use of the word that leads to sloppy and emotional thinking and trivializing the problem- like we have with "The War on Drugs" or "The War on Christmas", people stop considering facts and real problems and start spewing emotional rhetoric.

We don't live in a G.I. Joe cartoon.
 
So, McCarthyism 2.0 is about to fire up. Should be fun. Surely we'll learn our lesson....this time around.
 
Why does it seem that the JREF forum is ignoring this issue?
 
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wollclark said:
Why does it seem that the JREF forum is ignoring this issue?
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Probably because you haven't read any of the other threads devoted to it. This is at least the 3rd one I've seen. OTOH, you made this comment in an active thread discussing it, so how do you figure the forum is ignoring it?
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Probably because you haven't read any of the other threads devoted to it. This is at least the 3rd one I've seen. OTOH, you made this comment in an active thread discussing it, so how do you figure the forum is ignoring it?
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Well, I'd expect more coverage of this Act, especially with the concerning language; I've barely seen any threads about it up top. Everyone elsewhere seems to be panicking about abuse of powers, and I must admit I've been losing sleep over it as well. I've even been brought to the point of tears.

The only seemingly-rational thing I've read about it so far is this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...n-NDAA-Provisions?showAll=yes&via=blog_504607

Due to my anxiety, it's hardly comforting.

Virus said:
Exaggerated by axe-grinders.
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"Axe-grinders"?
 
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wollclark said:
Well, I'd expect more coverage of this Act, especially with the concerning language; I've barely seen any threads about it up top. Everyone elsewhere seems to be panicking about abuse of powers, and I must admit I've been losing sleep over it as well. I've even been brought to the point of tears.

The only seemingly-rational thing I've read about it so far is this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...n-NDAA-Provisions?showAll=yes&via=blog_504607

Due to my anxiety, it's hardly comforting.



"Axe-grinders"?
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I think that JREF just isn't all that interested in civil liberties. We know what's in the bill, there's not a lot to debunk here, and therefore skeptics aren't very interested in it it.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Probably because you haven't read any of the other threads devoted to it. This is at least the 3rd one I've seen. OTOH, you made this comment in an active thread discussing it, so how do you figure the forum is ignoring it?
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Perhaps a merger is in order. Now, where's that Merge button.... Oh wait, I'm not a moderator.
Drat! Well, It seems there's never a handy mod around when you need one.
 
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madfoot said:
I think that JREF just isn't all that interested in civil liberties. We know what's in the bill, there's not a lot to debunk here, and therefore skeptics aren't very interested in it it.
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No replies to this?
 
madfoot said:
I think that JREF just isn't all that interested in civil liberties. We know what's in the bill, there's not a lot to debunk here, and therefore skeptics aren't very interested in it it.
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We also eat babies.

Mmmm....babies....
 
IDB87 said:
Have you stopped beating your wife?
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Cleon said:
We also eat babies.

Mmmm....babies....
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This is precisely what I'm talking about, almost nobody here replies with anything meaningful or substantial. They joke about something that's potentially serious and it makes me feel like they're ignoring it because it makes them uncomfortable.
 
wollclark said:
This is precisely what I'm talking about, almost nobody here replies with anything meaningful or substantial. They joke about something that's potentially serious and it makes me feel like they're ignoring it because it makes them uncomfortable.
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Well, yes, when I see a silly, baiting post like madfoot's, I completely fail to take it seriously.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Here's some debunking: Three myths about the detention bill
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http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/three_myths_about_the_detention_bill/singleton/

Myth # 1: This bill does not codify indefinite detention.....

It simply cannot be any clearer within the confines of the English language that this bill codifies the power of indefinite detention. It expressly empowers the President — with regard to anyone accused of the acts in section (b) – to detain them “without trial until the end of the hostilities.”
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Call me weird, but I prefer that anyone still have the protection of the 6th amendment and be permitted a speedy trial. Some of those hostilities can last for years, too late for a speedy trial in my opinion.

Ranb
 
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