Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Clayton Moore]

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What tens of thousands of testimonies are promised by THHP? Please post a direct link to this promise.

Or don't you remember that this is your claim?

You know, the one you offered proof of be referring to a page you didn't even bother to try to say anything was a lie, hoping no one would notice?

And, it is obvious that you have no proof that THHP offers anything but the truth.

It is equally obvious to anyone not blinded by hate that you have no such proof, because none such exists.

Which makes *you* the very degenerate liar you decry.

*That* is the truth you deny. How does it feel to be so emotionally invested in a lie?
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Thank goodness my survival doesn't depend on the lies of the Holocaust; nor the 9/11 lies for that matter.

 

[Wroclaw]

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Where are the tens of thousands of testimonies?

Although, as noted elsewhere, the people here are not your librarians, I would suggest that you start with the transcripts of State of Israel v. Adolf Eichmann. Nearly 100 survivors testified at that trial, which makes it a particularly handy place to find several testimonies all together.

 

[Wroclaw]

Your site is little more than a defensive smokescreen against the truth.

I don't think he's identified himself as being involved with THHP.

 

[TSR]

Thank goodness my survival doesn't depend on the lies of the Holocaust; nor the 9/11 lies for that matter.

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The only lies you have managed to document here are your own.

Your claim is that THHP is nothing but lies, and nothing but liars.

You offered a link which even you don't even attempt to say supports this claim, other than assumption that you would respond to a request for references by, you know, actual references which demonstrate what you assert.

You offer a second reference, and claim it is absurd, in spite of the fact that this is contradicted by other evidence, which you refuse to address.

You offer a third reference, and assert that because it does not meet your expectation that every single testimony be gathered in this specific resource for your benefit, that it is lying.

Bottom line: you post lies, then post more (where there is content other than incredulity) lies to attempt to support your initial lies.

And then you reassert the initial lies as a given.

And this is supposed to be persuasive because ... ?
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[Clayton Moore]

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The only lies you have managed to document here are your own.

Your claim is that THHP is nothing but lies, and nothing but liars.

You offered a link which even you don't even attempt to say supports this claim, other than assumption that you would respond to a request for references by, you know, actual references which demonstrate what you assert.

You offer a second reference, and claim it is absurd, in spite of the fact that this is contradicted by other evidence, which you refuse to address.

You offer a third reference, and assert that because it does not meet your expectation that every single testimony be gathered in this specific resource for your benefit, that it is lying.

Bottom line: you post lies, then post more (where there is content other than incredulity) lies to attempt to support your initial lies.

And then you reassert the initial lies as a given.

And this is supposed to be persuasive because ... ?
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Because I didn't bilk Germany out of billions of dollars as a result of Shoah business.

 

[Moss]

Thank goodness my survival doesn't depend on the lies of the Holocaust; nor the 9/11 lies for that matter.

You mean the publications of Zündel and Rudolf? Yeah, I wouldn't depend on those for my survival either.
Interesting which flag your currently wave. Why would said bilking be your business anyway?

 

[Wroclaw]

Because I didn't bilk Germany out of billions of dollars as a result of Shoah business.

I imagine you don't know whose suggestion the reparations were in the first place, do you?

I'll tell you: Konrad Adenauer.

Now you probably aren't aware of who he was either. I'll give you a clue: He wasn't Jewish.

 

[TSR]

Because I didn't bilk Germany out of billions of dollars as a result of Shoah business.

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Nor did anyone else.


*You* however, have falsely accused others of lying when it is you yourself who has demonstrably posted lies, repeated and unrepentantly, so the question remains: why should anyone at all believe you?
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[Dogzilla]

Which leads to the rather obvious question: why produce this dangerous substance without warning agent at all?

It's cheaper without the additives.

 

[Moss]

It's cheaper without the additives.

You realize that Ethyl bromoacetate is cheap to produce and apparently can be made from byproducts of regular fertilizer production?
Also why on earth would people try to cut corners with Zyklon B? You complain about "unsealed" doors but don't blink an eye when the nazis supposedly were cheapskates when it comes to chemical warfare agents?

 

[Dogzilla]

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The complete lack of evidence in support of those.

And before you once again try to claim that the same applies to the gas chambers you'll have to explain why we do not have any employee reporting to their superior anything that suggests these others' existence -- "Per you orders, shot a bigfoot and disposed of the body in prescribed manner" "on thus-and-such a day, landing and collection of human specimen persuant to directives" "Memo, re: the boss lady We really need to talk to TF about her use of cologne, it's waking the kids..."

So our knowledge of the gas chambers is a function of perpetrator testimony? If all we had was the testimony of potential victims who miraculously survived, we might not be so sure about them?

And why does this absurdity *not* also apply to canvas tents used at far higher concentrations for far greater periods of time, exacerbating both of these issues?
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That's not an unsealed wooden door and they're not using cyanide

 

[Wroclaw]

It's cheaper without the additives.

Which is precisely WHY Degesch complained about being asked by the SS to remove the indicator — they held the patent on the indicator but not on the carrier or on HCN. Nevertheless, the SS insisted.

So, again, why?

 

[Wroclaw]

So our knowledge of the gas chambers is a function of perpetrator testimony? If all we had was the testimony of potential victims who miraculously survived, we might not be so sure about them?

Some issues here:

(1) Survival was not always "miraculous." Depending on what year and to which camp a person was sent, s/he might not always be in immediate danger of being gassed, particularly if his/her work was valuable to the Reich (e.g., Primo Levi, a chemist).

(2) That being said, we can be more sure that what the victim eyewitnesses say is true because we have perpetrator eyewitness evidence also. The more eyewitness testimony you have, the better able you are to determine what features of any given storyline are given by all or most people versus what's given by only one or two. This is how history is constructed. I realize this is a difficult concept for you to grasp, but there it is.

(3) It is precisely because we don't have perpetrator testimony in the case of UFO abductions or Bigfoot that we are far less likely to believe in either. We also have zero physical evidence and no documents on either.

 

[Wroclaw]

That's not an unsealed wooden door and they're not using cyanide

Well, yes and no.

No, it not an unsealed wooden door. It's an unsealed plastic door. Big difference there.

Yes, they do use HCN to fumigate. In fact, if you'd bothered to go to the Wiki article that links to the image, you'd see exactly that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumigation#Chemicals

But I suspect you knew that.

 

[Wroclaw]

I would add that, given that insects are harder to kill with cyanide than mammals, it's likely that a wide open wooden door wouldn't prevent at least dozens of people from getting killed. In fact, YOUR argument that using cyanide gas under such situations would be too dangerous actually makes OUR case; further, you neglect to mention quite well-documented ventilation systems and use of gas masks, as well as that in at least half of the gassing installations, the places into which Zyklon-B was inserted led to the outdoors, where it would have been far less dangerous.

 

[TSR]

It's cheaper without the additives.

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Yes, for everyone, especially since it was the additive which was the basis of the patent which made the product profitable...
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[TSR]

So our knowledge of the gas chambers is a function of perpetrator testimony? If all we had was the testimony of potential victims who miraculously survived, we might not be so sure about them?

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NO, that was just the easiest example I could use to mock your "let's pretend" scenaior
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That's not an unsealed wooden door and they're not using cyanide

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No, it's not -- it's an even less sealed canvas tent -- but yes, they were.
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[Dogzilla]

You realize that Ethyl bromoacetate is cheap to produce and apparently can be made from byproducts of regular fertilizer production?

I didn't know that. So what?

Also why on earth would people try to cut corners with Zyklon B? You complain about "unsealed" doors but don't blink an eye when the nazis supposedly were cheapskates when it comes to chemical warfare agents?

The Germans aren't exactly spendthrifts. Why would they cut corners with Zyklon B? Probably because they knew they were going to use it in delousing chambers that were specifically designed to prevent gas from escaping instead of in a room that was accessible through an unsealed door. How does not having the warning agent make the product better for extermination?

And it was a pesticide, not a chemical warfare agent.

 

[Dogzilla]

Well, yes and no.

No, it not an unsealed wooden door. It's an unsealed plastic door. Big difference there.

Yes, they do use HCN to fumigate. In fact, if you'd bothered to go to the Wiki article that links to the image, you'd see exactly that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumigation#Chemicals

But I suspect you knew that.

They're using cyanide when they tent a house? A chemical that needs an extremely high concentration for a long period of time to kill insects but is fatal to humans in extremely low doses almost immediately? I don't suppose you have any information about how common it is to find hydrogen cyanide being used to fumigate houses in densely populated areas?

 

[LemmyCaution]

The director of Yad Vashem, Yehuda Bauer, is thouroughly versed in the hoax, and he writes in the preface to 'Three Years in the Gas Chambers, and All I Got was this Lousy T-Shirt' by Filip Meuller - "This is an account of the only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell about it."

So, according to Bauer there is only one credible Jewish eyewitness. Now, read the first few pages of Meuller's book, and you'll see what an obvious and pathetic liar Meuller is.

So, there was one, but he is an obvious fraud. That leaves none. There is not a single credible Jewish eyewitness to the holohoax.

1) Read Gideon Greif's We Wept Without Tears.

2) Look up hyperbole in a dictionary (hint: the word isn't pronounced high-purr-bowl).

3) Learn to count.