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And yeah, let's pretend that kids don't see porn on the internet.

So what? What does that have to do with education?

Your fear is just as irrational as the people who fear about telling kids about gays and lesbians.

I've been an out lesbian teacher for years. And in my opinion me being a lesbian is VERY different than me doing porn after work.
 
And yeah, let's pretend that kids don't see porn on the internet. They don't give a damn about your sex life.


I disagree. If I knew that my hot 9th grade English teacher had made a porn movie, I don't think I would have been able to concentrate on anything else for the next four years. All the more so if she had done anything outside "mainstream" pornography ... Or, oh my god, a lipstick lesbian clip ... Excuse me, I have to step away from the computer for just a minute ...
 
So what? What does that have to do with education?
Absolutely nothing. It just illustrates that our fear of children being exposed to porn and sex is silly and overblown. The scandals that ensue are no more rational than the scandals that ensued in times past over interracial marriage, gays and lesbians (Mr. Smith is gay? Eeek. Shock. Call the PTA). It's silly and irrational.

I've been an out lesbian teacher for years. And in my opinion me being a lesbian is VERY different than me doing porn after work.
I respect your opinion. I don't mean to mock you. IMO your opinion is based on an irrational fear. I suspect that your only arguments would be about scandal and fear for children. Yet we have precedent that the fear is irrational. Unless you can show how your private life harms other people then all you are left with is moral turpitude. Which is fine, I've stated from the start that I accept that communities have the right to base their standards on irrational fears (unless a suspect class is the basis of those fears).

And FTR, just because the issue of the history and rights of gays and lesbians is an appropriate subject for discussion at your school and in your class doesn't mean it's settled in most communities in America. I assure you it's not. I wish you had been there to support me in the thread about that very subject 4 months ago.

ETA: If you were involved in that thread then I apologize from my presumption.
 
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I disagree. If I knew that my hot 9th grade English teacher had made a porn movie, I don't think I would have been able to concentrate on anything else for the next four years. All the more so if she had done anything outside "mainstream" pornography ... Or, oh my god, a lipstick lesbian clip ... Excuse me, I have to step away from the computer for just a minute ...
:)
 
That little bit of excitement aside, I'm still interested in hearing from the "end corporate personhood" crowd as to how we'd be better off ending lawsuits for and against corporations, ending the ability to contract with corporations, or ending the ability of investors to limit their liability through the corporate structure.
 
Obamaville LA group released from custody. And yes, they fit the California stereotype:
One speaker suggested that some of those arrested might need therapy. Several said they felt traumatized after witnessing police use nonlethal force and being forced to wait for hours in zip tie handcuffs. Some showed off cuts on their wrists from the handcuffs. Others complained that they were forced to urinate in bags on the bus as they were transported to jails.
:rolleyes:

Oh, the humanity!
 
Why? How is being in porn a lower standard? Is porn unethical? Is porn immoral? FWIW: I would accept an argument of moral turpitude (public standards that PERCEIVE that porn is unsavory). Sadly we cannot force reason on people. We can only advocate for it. Is that what you mean? However, if you argument is that porn is inherently immoral or unethical then I'm afraid you have a job ahead of you.
So you'd have no problem if your wife decided to do porn? What about if she decided to become a prostitute in a legal brothel?

Hey, it's legal!
 
So you'd have no problem if your wife decided to do porn?
Hell no!

What about if she decided to become a prostitute in a legal brothel?
Hell no! (certainly not for any insecurities, perhaps concerns about STD's but honestly I wouldn't say no)

Hey, it's legal!
Exactly.

Thanks. I've not had a lot of support of late.

Kidding aside, you asked the wrong person. I'm 100% sex positive. I don't find sexuality to be perverted or morally deviant so long as the individuals are consenting adults. I wouldn't want my wife to cheat on me behind my back but other than that. Honestly I wouldn't have a problem with it.
 
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Most of the oil is already promised to foreign markets and there would only be 2500 - 5000 temporary jobs.

Report from Cornell:
http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallaborinstitute/research/upload/GLI_KeystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf

This information is all readily available.

Out of curiosity, I did a bit of reading in this report. I was particularly interested in the claims of job losses due to the pipeline, since that didn't make much sense to me. They claim that this will raise gas prices in the Midwest by as much as $5 billion, because it will divert oil from Midwest refineries. Imagine my surprise when I went to the footnote, and found out one of their sources was an opinion column. That opinion column claims $4 billion increased fuel costs to the US. As far as I can tell, they're both referring to this report (your source's only real source for its claim):
https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/ll-eng/li...asons_for_Decision.pdf?nodeid=604637&vernum=0
But when we actually dig into that report, what do we find? Well, on page 21 and 22, they do mention figures of up to $4 billion. But the figures aren't what the opinion article OR your paper claimed. Those are increased revenues for Canadian producers, NOT increased costs for American consumers. The entire point of a pipeline is to lower the cost of transport. So much of that increased revenue will come from decreased costs to those producers, not increased costs to consumers. And even in regards to the issue of oversupply in the midwest, well, that might raise costs in the midwest, but any such oil diverted elsewhere is going to lower costs elsewhere (including the price of crude from non-Canadian sources). But the long and the short of it is, your source has badly misinterpreted its own source: the figures don't show what it claimed it showed.

And this was an elementary mistake which I uncovered with just a few minutes of looking at a claim that didn't seem right at first glance. God knows what an in-depth analysis might do to that report.
 
I don't find sexuality to be perverted or morally deviant so long as the individuals are consenting adults. I wouldn't want my wife to cheat on me behind my back but other than that. Honestly I wouldn't have a problem with it.
So as long as she got paid for it you wouldn't mind?

I have to admit you haver the courage of your convictions!
 
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Kidding aside, you asked the wrong person. I'm 100% sex positive. I don't find sexuality to be perverted or morally deviant so long as the individuals are consenting adults. I wouldn't want my wife to cheat on me behind my back but other than that. Honestly I wouldn't have a problem with it.
So if your wife cheated on you openly, would that be okay? I just find it really strange, I'll admit.

Furthermore, if a teacher was discovered to have done porn, and was asked to resign by the district, would you believe that the district did the wrong thing??? I know you'll probably worry about overprotection, but I do believe teachers must try to the best of their abilities to be moral beacons for their students. And that means standards as small as not having been working in porn in the past or present.
 
How about if a teacher was a Grand Wizard in the Ku Klux Klan? It's perfectly legal... and who are we to judge morality?
 
So if your wife cheated on you openly, would that be okay? I just find it really strange, I'll admit.
That's a good question actually. No, cheating would be potentially problematic regardless. However, if it were open it would not likely be cheating.

Furthermore, if a teacher was discovered to have done porn, and was asked to resign by the district, would you believe that the district did the wrong thing???
I've already given you an answer. I accept irrational community standards.

I know you'll probably worry about overprotection, but I do believe teachers must try to the best of their abilities to be moral beacons for their students. And that means standards as small as not having been working in porn in the past or present.
Porn is NOT immoral.
 
How about if a teacher was a Grand Wizard in the Ku Klux Klan? It's perfectly legal... and who are we to judge morality?
I have no problem with it. Just don't bring it into the school. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Assuming for the sake of argument I found prejudice immoral, what does that have to do with porn? BTW, are those who consume porn immoral?
 
Occutards break into building, barricade themselves in and spit on police trying to evict them.

Occupy Seattle protesters broke into an empty and locked building located in the 900 Block of East Union Street. The protesters then decided to hold a benefit concert as a fundraiser and allowed people to enter the building. Third watch East Precinct officers attempted to make contact with the protesters. The protesters closed and locked the door. They then barricaded the door from the inside. While the officers were at the door, protest members were on the roof and began spitting on them.

http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2011/...for-trespassing-inside-capitol-hill-building/
 
OT but just to make clear. My wife and I have been in a 24 year monogamous marriage. I have no plans of cheating and neither does she (so she tells me). Honesty and openness without insecurities can be good for a relationship. So can open relationships and hedonism but that's just not me. My wife and I have discussesed the possibility of affairs and we acknowledge the problems of fidelity. Humans, apparently, don't have the oxycontin and vasopressin regulation that lifetime pair bonding species do. Which fits with divorce rates. It takes a lot of work.
 
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