You don't know who gave the "shoot down order" or even if one was given at all. So because you don't know what happened, this equals a "conspiracy?"
Just the facts...
Before President Bush stepped into the classroom he was already told a commercial airliner had flown into the WTC. He was told this by Rice. This is confirmed in his own book, by Rice, and the 9-11 commission released notes.
"Then Condi called. I spoke to her from a secure phone in a classroom that had been converted into a communications center for the traveling White House staff. She told me the plane that had just struck the Trade Center tower was not a light aircraft. It was a commercial jetliner."
"I was stunned. That plane must have had the worst pilot in the world."
Page 126
http://www.amazon.com/Decision-Points-George-W-Bush/dp/0307590615#reader_0307590615
From 9-11 commission released notes (POTUS=President of the United States):
"(so POTUS knew when he hung up it was a commercial plane??)"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16571575/...-Vol-III-Fdr-102401-Rice-Transcript-Notes-998
Yes, the 9-11 commission was well aware of this. The question arises......how did they know it was a commercial airliner yet not know it was hijacked? The news was not reporting that a commercial airliner hit, because it was not known by them at the time. However the military had already launched jets after that plane because it was a known hijacking.
"As part of the 102nd Fighter Wing flying out of Otis Air National Guard Base on Cape Cod, "Nasty" and his partner, codenamed "Duff," were scrambled at 8:46 a.m. as news of Flight 11's hijacking reached the base."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/737242/posts
How did Rice know it was a commercial airliner? Her military aide or as she describes him, her executive assistant Army Major Tony Crawford told her......
"Shortly before 9:00 a.m. I was standing at my desk when my executive assistant, then U.S. Army Major Tony Crawford, came in and said that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. "That's odd," I said, thinking that it was probably a small plane that had gone off course."
page 71
"A few minutes later, Tony came in and said that it was a commercial airliner that had hit the Trade Center. I got the President on the phone and told him what had happened. "That's a strange accident," he said."
page 72
http://www.amazon.com/No-Higher-Honor-Memoir-Washington/dp/030758786X#reader_030758786X
Rumsfeld's military aide also is the one that told him about the first plane hit .........
"As my breakfast with the members of Congress was coming to a close that September morning, my senior military assistant, Vice Admiral Edmund Giambastiani, passed me a note. An aircraft had crashed into one of the World Trade Center’s twin towers in New York. It was, I assumed, a tragic accident."
pages 5-6/19
http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/4500/The Agony of Surprise.pdf
Why don't they know this plane was hijacked? The military has already sent fighters after it and the people on the plane started calling reporting the hijacking at
8:19?
"As part of the 102nd Fighter Wing flying out of Otis Air National Guard Base on Cape Cod, "Nasty" and his partner, codenamed "Duff," were scrambled at 8:46 a.m. as news of Flight 11's hijacking reached the base."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/737242/posts
Now let's turn to when these people are informed of the second plane strike. Keeping in mind according to them, no one ever informs them these planes are hijacked despite the fact that NEADS was notified at 8:37 and planes were launched from Otis AFB at 8:45.
Rice hears of second plane strike:
"Tony came in and he handed me a piece of paper, it said, a second plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. This was probably about 9:10 a.m. or so."
-page 2/26
http://www.911myths.com/images/8/8a...cedDocsVolIII-BobWoodward-InterviewOfRice.pdf
Rumsfeld watches it happen on his TV......
"Back in my office, Giambastiani turned on the television to see the video of one of the towers burning. Putting the set on mute but glancing at it from time to time, I received an intelligence briefing from Denny Watson, my regular briefer. Her daily presentations were similar to those provided to the President each morning."
"We were a few minutes into my briefing when the scenes on the television set distracted us. A fireball was erupting from the other World Trade Center tower as a second airliner tore through the upper floors of the building."
http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/4500/The Agony of Surprise.pdf
The President is told:
"Andy Card pressed his head next to mine and whispered in my ear."
"A second plane hit the second tower," he said, pronouncing each word deliberately in his Massachusetts accent. "America is under attack."
page 127
http://www.amazon.com/Decision-Points-George-W-Bush/dp/0307590615#reader_0307590615
Cheney saw the second strike on TV:
"So we turned on the television and watched for a few minutes, and then actually saw the second plane hit the World Trade Center. And the - as soon as that second plane showed up, that's what triggered the thought: terrorism, that this was an attack..."
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeline/2001/meetthepress091601.html
Now the world knows that planes are being flown into buildings. How many more are there? Only two people have the authority to issue shoot down orders. The President and Secretary of defense. Neither of them find out about any other hijackings, and neither give shoot down orders. What they do is desert their posts and leave the VP in charge.
This is not just a disgrace, it is in fact- the stand down. The VP is not in the military chain of command and has no authority to issue shoot down orders. Not only that the Generals in charge know it due to the exercises that drilled that fact into their heads. So any shoot down orders he gives are not acted on. He does not have the authority any more than the Postmaster General does.
The evidence:
"Prior to 9/11, it was understood that an order to shoot down a commercial aircraft would have to be issued by the National Command Authority (a phrase used to describe the president and secretary of defense)."
page 17/46
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
"The vice president was not even in the chain of command."
"The military understood that. In an exercise before 9/11, one that postulated a suicide mission involving a jet aimed at Washington, the generals had concluded that a putative shoot down could occur only in response to an "executive" order."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...graphic-interview-s-unanswered-questions.html
"Military officials ignored Cheney’s 9/11 shoot-down order"
"Most striking of all is the revelation that an order by Vice President Dick Cheney was ignored by the military, which saw his order to shoot down aircraft as outside the chain of command."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/08/military-officials-ignored-cheneys-911-shoot-down-order/
MR. LEHMAN: To follow up on that, General Arnold, did you
have authority to shoot down 93 when it was heading towards
Washington? And where did you get it?
GEN. ARNOLD: A lot of discussion on that. Our intent
on United 93 -- the simple answer is, to my knowledge, I did not
have authority to shoot that aircraft down.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.pdf
MR. LEHMAN: So you were given it after the fact,
presidential authority to shoot it down?
GEN. ARNOLD: To my knowledge. Now, I can tell you that
in our discussion with the NORAD staff at that particular time
that we -- you know, we intended to intercept that aircraft at
some point in time, attempted to deviate that aircraft away from
the Washington, D.C. area. There was discussion at that
particular time whether or not that aircraft would be shot down.
But we, I did not know of presidential shoot down authority
until after that aircraft had crashed.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.pdf
MR. BEN-VENISTE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Following
up on this shootdown authority, General Arnold, from what source
did you receive the shootdown authority?
GEN. ARNOLD: I did not receive shootdown authority.
MR. BEN-VENISTE: You say it was received subsequent to
the crash of 93?
GEN. ARNOLD: Yes, that's correct.
MR. HAMILTON: I just want to clarify a few things
after listening to all this testimony. It's not all that clear
to me. As of September 11th, only the president had the
authority to order a shootdown of a commercial aircraft.
GEN. ARNOLD: That's correct, sir.
MR. HAMILTON: Now, one of the things that's curious to
me, General Arnold, you said that you did not learn of the
presidential order until after United 93 had already crashed.
That was about a little after 10 o'clock in the morning. The
first notice of difficulty here was at 8:20 in the morning when
a transponder goes off on the American Flight 11. I don't know
how significant that is, but 20 minutes later you had
notification of the possible hijack. So there's a long lapse of
time here between the time you are initially alerted and you
receive the order that you can shoot that aircraft down. Am I
right about that?
GEN. ARNOLD: That's correct.
MR. HAMILTON: Getting the notification from the president
of the United States that you had the authority to shoot a
commercial aircraft down is a pretty significant event. Why
would that not be in your timeline?
GEN. ARNOLD: I don't know when that happened.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.pdf
Because it didn't happen. Bush deserted his post as commander in chief. He wasn't talking to the military. He was talking to Cheney. Cheney was giving the orders through his military aide ...."Do the orders still stand?" - D Cochrane. How come Bush's aide isn't asking that? How come Rumsfeld aide isn't asking that? Because they were not given shoot down orders. The President and Sec of Defense deserted their posts. But it gets worse. What were they doing when they deserted their posts? They were talking to each other for one thing. And guess what they were having a conversation about? Well.....SORRY....THEY JUST DON'T REMEMBER!
The evidence of President Bush deserting his post:
He is the commander in chief of the armed forces we are under attack. Commercial Airliners are being used as weapons. Only he and the Sec of Defense can issue shoot down orders. When does he contact the military and do so? He doesn't. Which means he deserted his post.
GEN. ARNOLD: I did not receive shootdown authority.
MR. BEN-VENISTE: You say it was received subsequent to
the crash of 93?
GEN. ARNOLD: Yes, that's correct.
GEN. ARNOLD: That is correct. In fact, the American
Airlines 77, if we were to have arrived overhead at that particular point, I don't think that we would have shot that
aircraft down.
MR. HAMILTON: Because?
GEN. ARNOLD: Well, we had not been given authority --
MR. HAMILTON: You didn't have authority at that point.
GEN. ARNOLD: I was never aware of any order given to
shoot down American Airlines 77.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.pdf
After the second plane has hit the tower at 9:03 we see the President being told. He does not contact the military. He has deserted his post as commander in chief of the armed forces. He does nothing but stare into space. Finally at 9:15 he leaves the classroom. But has deserted his post, so he does not perform his duties as the military commander in chief he instead contacts the VP so they can discuss......not shoot down orders but his exact wording he will use when he addresses the nation at 9:30.
"At nine-fifteen AM, President Bush called Cheney. The vice president, sitting at his desk, turned away from the crowd gathered in his office."
page 332
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060723467/centerforcoop-20/#reader_0060723467
"Bush and Cheney assessed the situation and discussed what the President would say in his public statement. Better to be cautious, they agreed, and decided that Bush would speak of "an apparent" act of terrorism."
page 332
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060723467/centerforcoop-20/#reader_0060723467
So at 9:30 we are to believe they still have no knowledge that these planes were hijacked? No one is authorized to shoot down flight 77 or any other plane that day. No shoot down authority given. The pentagon gets hit at 9:37-9:38 and Bush takes off on Air Force one. He does not contact the military. He has deserted his post. He does have a conversation with his deserting co conspirator Rumsfeld shortly after 10:00 which will be discussed when we look at Rumsfeld's desertion, leaving VP Cheney who is not in the military chain of command in charge.
The evidence of Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld deserting his post:
"What was Rumsfeld doing on 9/11?" said the former official with sudden anger. "He deserted his post. He disappeared."
Page 4
http://books.google.com/books?id=lN...&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6wEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
What does Rumsfeld do after seeing the second plane hit on TV? He deserts his post. America is under attack so he belongs in the NMCC(National military Command Center)but instead stays in his office. The second plane hits at 9:03 and the pentagon gets hit 35 minutes later. What is he doing? Watching people die on TV in his office. The pentagon getting hit finally gets him out of his office and he proceeds to go out and assist loading people on stretchers. He is not going to issue shoot down orders he should be in the NMCC but has deserted his post.
What was Rumsfeld doing at this time? From his own book......
"Back in my office, Giambastiani turned on the television to see the video of one of the towers burning. Putting the set on mute but glancing at it from time to time, I received an intelligence briefing from Denny Watson, my regular briefer. Her daily presentations were similar to those provided to the President each morning."
http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/4500/The Agony of Surprise.pdf
"We were a few minutes into my briefing when the scenes on the television set distracted us. A fireball was erupting from the other World Trade Center tower as a second airliner tore through the upper floors of the building."
http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/4500/The Agony of Surprise.pdf
"As the flames rose the floors filled with asphyxiating smoke. Some people on the upper floors jumped to their deaths rather than wait for the fire to reach them."
page 6/19
http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/4500/The Agony of Surprise.pdf
"I was still in my Pentagon office, absorbing news of the attacks in New York, when I felt the building shake."
page 6/19
http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/4500/The Agony of Surprise.pdf
See? He doesn't call it "deserting my post" he calls it "absorbing". Just like Bush does......
As Bush was heading toward Air Force one to desert off into the wild blue yonder he called Rice. One would think he might be contacting the military to issue shoot down authorization for any other planes out there but like I said, this guy has deserted his post.......
"I called Condi from the secure phone in the limo. She told me there had been a third plane crash, this one into the pentagon. I sat back in my seat and absorbed her words."
page 128
http://www.amazon.com/Decision-Points-George-W-Bush/dp/0307590615#reader_0307590615
According to Rice she tried to contact Rumsfeld just after the second strike where he himself admits he is in his office but according to Rice, evidently refuses to answer his phone......
"I tried to reach Don Rumsfeld but couldn't. His phones were just ringing, I was told. I turned around and saw on the television screen that a plane had gone into the Pentagon."
page 72
http://www.amazon.com/No-Higher-Honor-Memoir-Washington/dp/030758786X#reader_030758786X
If she called after the pentagon was hit Rumsfeld was busy deserting his post and doing this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipxiGjgA5Xs
When he is done with that he goes back into his office and talks with his deserting co conspirator. So while both the President and the Sec of Defense desert their posts and refuse to talk to the military and issue shoot down orders they do talk to each other. But don't bother asking what they were talking about. SORRY...BUT GOSH WE JUST CAN'T REMEMBER! This is Outrageous.
“The President apparently spoke to Secretary Rumsfeld for the first time that morning shortly after 10:00. No one can recall the content of this conversation, but it was a brief call in which the subject of shootdown authority was NOT discussed.”
– 9-11 Commission
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
The Vice President is not in the military chain of command. He does not have the authority to issue shoot down orders. This Rumsfeld himself admits.....
Goldberg: What about authorization to shoot down United #93? Did that come from the Vice President?
Rumsfeld: Technically, it couldn't, because the Vice President is not in the chain of command. The President and he were talking and the President and I were talking, and the Vice President and I were talking. Clearly he was involved in the process.
Cameron: It was reported that the decision came from the Vice President.
Rumsfeld: He might have recommended that.
Cameron: But the rules of engagement came out of your office.
Rumsfeld: Sure.
page 9/13
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51086828/...002-12-23-Rumsfeld-Donald-H-Less-Redacted-044
"Cameron: But the rules of engagement came out of your office."
"Rumsfeld: Sure."
Sure.....almost 3 hours after the last plane crashed.
"Rumsfeld, once he had finally settled into his place at the command center, got to work on the "rules of engagement" for the fighter pilots. This was an irrelevant exercise for he did not complete and issue them until 1
.m., hours after the last hijacker had died."
page 7
http://books.google.com/books?id=lN...&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6wEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
There is no evidence that the President nor the Secretary of Defense contacted the military during the entire duration of the 9-11 attacks. They both admit to "absorbing" the news. They both admit to doing nothing after knowing we were under attack. Despite having their military aides next to them whose purpose was to be a liaison to the military only Cheney through D Cochrane was taking charge, and he had no authority. This was the stand down. Whether by incredible incompetence or by design this is what happened in their own words and official investigations.
Now the outrageous statements and lies:
"Rumsfeld: The President and he were talking and the President and I were talking, and the Vice President and I were talking"
page 9/13
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51086828/...002-12-23-Rumsfeld-Donald-H-Less-Redacted-044
“The President apparently spoke to Secretary Rumsfeld for the first time that morning shortly after 10:00. No one can recall the content of this conversation, but it was a brief call in which the subject of shootdown authority was NOT discussed.”
– 9-11 Commission
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
Lie:
"DR. RICE: The President did give the order to shoot down a civilian plane if it was not responding properly. And it was authority requested through channels by Secretary Rumsfeld, and the Vice President passed the request, the President said yes."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16571537/...Fdr-8602-Terry-MoranABC-Interview-of-Rice-003
Lie exposed:
"The authority was not requested through channels, when Secretary Rumsfeld joined the Air Threat Conference Call at 10:30 and was told about the shoot down order by Vice President Cheney, he was clearly unaware of it. Whether the vice president had requested prior authorization from the president is disputed, but uncorroborated by the records of the day."
page 260
http://www.amazon.com/Ground-Truth-...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260588203&sr=1-1
"Secretary Rumsfeld joined the Air Threat Conference Call at 10:30 and was told about the shoot down order by Vice President Cheney, he was clearly unaware of it."
page 260
http://www.amazon.com/Ground-Truth-...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260588203&sr=1-1
Lie:
“Minutes after terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center, President Bush ordered military jets into the air around Washington with orders to shoot down any airliner that refused to turn away from the city, Vice President Richard B. Cheney said yesterday.”
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we...page=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
Lie exposed:
“Fleischer’s 10:20 note is the first mention of shootdown authority. See White House notes,Ari Fleischer notes, Sept. 11, 2001; see also Ari Fleischer interview (Apr. 22, 2004).”
– 9-11 Commission
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Notes.pdf
"The Boeing 767 operating as Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center at 09:03"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_175
“At 10:10, the pilots over Washington were emphatically told “negative clearance to shoot.” Shootdown authority was first communicated to NEADS at 10:31.”
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch1.htm
“Minutes after terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center" - Vice President Richard B. Cheney said yesterday.”
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we...page=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
Outrageous statement:
"When Flight 77 hit, the defense secretary thought it was a bomb."
"I had no idea," Rumsfeld said on ABC's This Week.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/16/pentagon-timeline.htm
"King: It was a jarring thing. And you ran toward the smoke?
Rumsfeld: Uh huh.
King: Because?
Rumsfeld: Goodness. Who knows? I wanted to see what had happened."
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=260
Lie exposed:
"Though careful in its language, the 9/11 Commission dropped a clear hint in its Final Report that staff had found the Cheney and Bush account of the exchange less than convincing. There was "no documentary evidence," it noted, to back it up. "We just didn't believe it," general counsel Daniel Marcus declared long afterward. "The official version," senior commission counsel John Farmer would say, "insisted that President Bush had issued an authorization to shoot down hijacked commercial flights, and that that order had been processed through the chain of command and passed to the fighters. This was untrue."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...graphic-interview-s-unanswered-questions.html
Remember this?......
“The President apparently spoke to Secretary Rumsfeld for the first time that morning shortly after 10:00. No one can recall the content of this conversation, but it was a brief call in which the subject of shootdown authority was NOT discussed.”
– 9-11 Commission
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
Rumsfeld seems to suddenly remember now what they talked about when his book came out......
"Upon arriving back in my office, I spoke briefly with the President. He was on Air Force One somewhere over the southeastern United States, having left an appearance at a school in Florida when the second plane hit the World Trade Center. He was anxious to learn what damage had been done by the attack on the Pentagon. I reported what information I had."
page 7-8
http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/4500/The Agony of Surprise.pdf
Bush and Rumsfeld the two authorized to issue shoot down orders both refused to during the attacks, deserted their posts, claimed to the 9-11 commission to not remember what they talked about, but admitted to the commission it wasn't about shoot down orders because the commission has the records. They know they didn't issue shoot down orders and would like to know why. These guys can't remember. If one wants to plead incompetence there is a problem.
Bush's father was former head of the CIA and former President of the U.S.
Cheney was a former Sec of Defense.
Rumsfeld has two records. He was the youngest Secretary of Defense ever, and the oldest Secretary of Defense ever.
Amazing incompetence for those so experienced. But if one were to be kind, they would accuse them of being incompetent liars.
