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Merged Brownback cries about teen tweet

urbandictionary.com shows you what most people think it means. You'll notice several make reference to sucks and blows being the same thing. Since she said he sucks, then said he blows, it's obvious she meant it that way too.

I can't believe we're really talking about this... it's HILARIOUS!!!
 
Vulgar is a red-herring. It has absolutely no bearing on the situation.
 
I'm still wondering why someone from the Governors office was following the tweets of a high school girl. That's just creepy. Brownback type creepy even.

I doubt that is the case. However, I would believe that someone on Brownback's staff has some sort of automated search for the Governor's name on popular social media like twitter and facebook, and reviews them to guage public opinion of the Governor.
 
... Well no; Upchurch offered an example of a non-sexual context from which the "sucks" adjective derives; you can't do the same thing for "blows".


Actually I can.

"Blows chunks" is an old expression meaning to vomit. When I hear someone say that something blows, I take it to mean that the something is vomit-inducing.

I've had that understanding of the phrase for decades, and I don't believe I'm alone. A quick Google of "blows chunks" turns up half a million hits.
 
Actually I can.

"Blows chunks" is an old expression meaning to vomit. When I hear someone say that something blows, I take it to mean that the something is vomit-inducing.

That might fly when discussing something, but not someone. That interpretation certainly doesn't fit in the phrase "he blows a lot"; the phrase should have been "he makes me blow a lot".
 
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That might fly when discussing something, but not someone. That interpretation certainly doesn't fit in the phrase "he blows a lot"; the phrase should have been "he makes me blow a lot".

Having been a young person once I can assure you that the usage you are talking about is where the term "blows" is synonymous with "is really bad."

"Ronald totally blows" means that Ronald is someone they do not have a high regard for. It does not mean they think Ronald is actively engaging in oral sex.
 
That might fly when discussing something, but not someone. That interpretation certainly doesn't fit in the phrase "he blows a lot"; the phrase should have been "he makes me blow a lot".


No, you're mistaken. It can refer either to persons or things.

For instance, from this very site:

... who the hell thought the Dixie Chicks didn't blow chunks long before the Bush kerfluffle?
 
Some additional instances of the use of the phrase blows chunks on this site:

By your logic, GR and QM theory must also blow chunks too.


CD's were a vast improvement over tapes and records, but DVD's blow chunks.


Plus, it's a dang good flick (I was so afraid it would blow chunks!)


If you are able to see a connection between suck an egg and that sucks, I am surprised you are having trouble seeing the connection between blows chunks and that blows.
 
Dammit guys! We have to find fault in this girl for something! She childishly insulted a conservative! (Who subsequently acted more childishly and has already apologized for it.)

So, now, instead of properly praising Brownback for manning up and apologizing to the girl for a non-story non-issue, conservatives are attacking the girl. Thus driving new life into the story by forcing reasonable people to defend her for doing literally almost nothing.


Eta: when I was a kid, "blows" did, indeed, refer to "blowing chunks", but more correctly, simply meant, "is bad". This was especially useful during a time when "bad" meant "good". I can't read the student's mind to know how she intended it, but the common vernacular meanings of "bad" seem to apply here.

Two questions:
1. Why are conservatives apparently so obsessed with sex?
2. Since when was sex considered a bad thing?
 
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In further developments, I've found the expression "Class of 2011 rules" does not mean that the user is enrolled in a legal curriculum or that a student believes his graduating class is actually the legitimate government.
 
I doubt that is the case. However, I would believe that someone on Brownback's staff has some sort of automated search for the Governor's name on popular social media like twitter and facebook, and reviews them to guage public opinion of the Governor.

And apparently to tell on teenage girls who disapprove of the Governor. You forgot that part.

-Bri
 
I still think that disciplinary action needs to be taken against the principle. At the very minimum, the drooling moron needs a remedial course in civil rights and the constitution.

Now the funny part of this is the other Kansas senator (when Brownback was a senator... though this guy is still there, I think) is named Jerry Moran... pronounced "moron" in my book, and pretty much identical to Brownback.
 
Dammit guys! We have to find fault in this girl for something! She childishly insulted a conservative! (Who subsequently acted more childishly and has already apologized for it.)

So, now, instead of properly praising Brownback for manning up and apologizing to the girl for a non-story non-issue, conservatives are attacking the girl. Thus driving new life into the story by forcing reasonable people to defend her for doing literally almost nothing.


Eta: when I was a kid, "blows" did, indeed, refer to "blowing chunks", but more correctly, simply meant, "is bad". This was especially useful during a time when "bad" meant "good". I can't read the student's mind to know how she intended it, but the common vernacular meanings of "bad" seem to apply here.

Two questions:
1. Why are conservatives apparently so obsessed with sex?
2. Since when was sex considered a bad thing?

Is this something conservatives are doing? To my knowledge I'm the only person who's brought it up, ever, and only in this thread.

I personally think it strains credulity to insist that saying a person blows is slangly referring to them as vomit inducing; but I suppose a good enough case has been made otherwise for the sake of this discussion. But in point of fact, if a sexual innuendo is used pointedly as a pejorative, it seems odd to ask why those offended by it ("conservatives" I guess) find sex "bad" rather than the person who presumably used it as a pejorative.
 
Let's say that she actually tweeted something clearly vulgar. Say she used her 148 characters to say, "Brownback has a brown back from santorum. He sucks and blows big floppy donkey dick. #takesituptheass".

How would that change anything? She'd still be perfectly within her rights to do it, and it wouldn't even be breaking any valid school rules. This entire 'vulgar' line of reasoning is a red herring. It has nothing to do with the issue.
 
Let's say that she actually tweeted something clearly vulgar. Say she used her 148 characters to say, "Brownback has a brown back from santorum. He sucks and blows big floppy donkey dick. #takesituptheass".

How would that change anything? She'd still be perfectly within her rights to do it, and it wouldn't even be breaking any valid school rules. This entire 'vulgar' line of reasoning is a red herring. It has nothing to do with the issue.


Yes and no.

If she were an adult, then I'd be able to agree with you completely. But in the US, kids in school do not enjoy the same rights to free speech as adults do. So it is possible that the content of the tweet does matter.

Let me run through several different possibilities to illustrate when content when content would matter and when it wouldn't.

1. Student in Social Studies class, during school hours, texts to another student sitting nearby. Mr. Madeupname, the teacher, sees, intercepts one of the phones, reads the text.

Case (a): the text says "Jimmy is cute".
Case (b): the text says "Social Studies is the most boring *********** class ever; Mr. Madeupname is full of ****!"​

In both cases the student has broken the rule against texting in class. But in my opinion the teacher is justified in meting out a more severe penalty for case (b) than for case (a). In this case, content matters; free speech rules do not apply.

2. Student is at home and tweets to a friend. The teacher happens to have subscribed to the student's tweets and thus reads it.

Case (a): the text says "Jimmy is cute".
Case (b): the text says "Social Studies is the most boring *********** class ever; Mr. Madeupname is full of ****!"​

Since this is speech on the student's own time, the content of the tweets is none of the school's business. (It is the parents' business, and some parents might choose to discipline a child for using the kind of language in the second tweet. But that's a separate issue.

So under certain circumstances (student not on school grounds and not on school hours) I agree with you:Yes, content clearly does not matter; and under other certain other circumstances (student on school grounds during school hours) I have to disagree with you: No, content clearly does matter.

Here's the problem: this incident seems to have occurred in a gray area between those two rather clear poles. The students went on a school trip to the state capitol, where they saw Sam Brownback, and shortly after seeing him the student made the tweet. If the tweet was made during the course of the trip, then it was on school time and during a school activity -- but not on school grounds.

If the tweet was made while the students were in the capitol building and listening to Brownback, then I'd say the same rules apply as in a classroom. It's a classroom activity, simply one being held in a different location. In that case, tweeting during Brownback's speech would be the same a passing a note in the classroom. The tweet would be a violation of school rules, and its content would be relevant to the severity of the offense.

But if the tweet was made after the students left the capitol building and were in transit back to the school, then technically they may still on school time and subject to school rules but realistically I think different rules apply.

It's my opinion that if they were on a school bus or otherwise travelling back to the school then entirely different (and much more relaxed) rules apply. To my mind, tweeting while sitting in a school bus is no more a violation of school rules than talking to the person sitting next to you (which, in the classroom, would be a violation of the rules).

That still leaves the question of whether content matters in this gray area. Even if the tweet itself is not a violation of school rules, use of vulgar language in it could well be -- if she's doing it on school time.

If she were to say aloud to the person sitting next to her on the school bus, "Jimmy is cute", I can't imagine that being considered a violation of school rules; but if she were to say aloud to the person sitting next to her, "Social Studies is the most boring *********** class ever; Mr. Madeupname is full of ****!" I think it is quite reasonable for school officials to consider that a disciplinary matter.

So content does matter for oral communication during school trips. The question is whether it matters for electronic communication during school trips.

Kids on the bus aren't allowed to yell "**** you!" at each other. Is it okay if they tweet "**** you!" to each other instead? I think it's reasonable for the teacher in charge of the trip to say no, and to discipline any student caught doing that. So yes -- content of electronic communication made during school trips does matter. I can think of two ways in particular that it matters:
(1) If the content of the student's tweet had been in some way disruptive of the field trip, it would be a matter for school concern.​
But it wasn't. Nothing untoward happened on the trip as a result of the tweet.

(2) If the content of the student's tweet had been something which did damage to the school's reputation, then that would also be a matter for school concern.​
The example you gave ("Brownback has a brown back from santorum...") is a good illustration of this. If a student tweets something like that on her own time, it's no one's business. But if a student tweets something like that during school hours, it's a matter of legitimate public concern. It is not unreasonable for someone to ask: Why are teachers permitting students to tweet things like that when they're supposed to be studying and learning?

If a student had tweeted what you wrote from a classroom during school hours I think complaints about the school's lack of discipline would be justified, and asking the student to make an apology would not be entirely out of line. So a discussion of the contents of the tweet is not entirely irrelevant.
 
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In both cases the student has broken the rule against texting in class. But in my opinion the teacher is justified in meting out a more severe penalty for case (b) than for case (a). In this case, content matters; free speech rules do not apply.

I disagree with you that content matters under any of the circumstances you listed unless there's a school policy against it. It would also matter whether school policy extends to field trips as to whether rules that govern the classroom also cover field trips.

It all boils down to whether there were rules prohibiting her actions, and what the disciplinary policy is for infractions. If there is a rule against tweeting in the classroom, and if the rules generally extend to field trips (as they often do), then she was guilty of tweeting during class. If there was a rule against being disrespectful of guest speakers, then she is guilty of being disrespectful of Brownback.

If she violated any rules, she should be disciplined according to school policy for the rules that she violated. Otherwise, whether or not she chooses to apologize to Brownback is her own concern.

Regardless, Brownback's office should have had nothing to do with it at all. The real story here is that Brownback's office combs through tweets looking for references to the governor, and in this case apparently contacted the school to demand an apology.

-Bri
 
Don't confuse the issue with FACTS, you Liberal long-haired wierdo hippy pinko communist freak, you!:o (Obscure NM '70's reference)
Crap. I thought I was a conservative...

I guess my use of words like "if the story is true" and "if she actually did that" were not clear indication that my endoursement of the principals actions were contingent on the story being true and the girl actually being guilty. I see that I failed, but am truly at a loss as to how I might have been more clear. Oh well, color me a nazi.
 

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