Determining the Ark Kinds

[akama1]

No, barmy as in...

barmy balmy (Slang)

I read that as "barmy army" made a lot of sense

I never understood the desire to shoehorn a (bad) moral story into science, the ark is one of the worse. As an Aussie rabbits get me the most, every where else had them bar us till the 1800's ( excuse the liberty on everyone ) yet here they have taken off like wild fire. So what happened to them between the ark and coming back?

 

[pakeha]

Some Christian groups are saying that the ark contained dna of animals and not the actual animal except for the meat variety of edible animal. ... Then he took the kangeroos to australia and the jaguars to south america.

Errrr...

Oh and the kangaroos rode to Australia on flotsam. The continents were much closer together then; that's how they made it without starving.

Errr...

...This also answers how Koalas got to the ark from Australia (they didn't...they were represented by a 'kind' that wasn't a koala), and how they got to Australia from the ark (their ancestors from the surviving 'kind' ended up on the chunk of land that then split and became Australia...and god then changed them into koalas).

... any obvious differences between then are a result of God's enhanced speciation program after the flood.

So albino kiwis are a product of God fiddling with koalas?
Or have I missed something?

 

[Venom]

An inescapable problem would be getting delicate species off of that enormous mountain.......assuming he could fit every animal in the ark in the first place.

 

[Cainkane1]

Speaking of the ark I have noticed several boat shaped rock formations around various mountain ranges in Turkey and other parts of the middle east. I'm of the opinions that these are what caused ancient writers to think that there was a flood and that these rock formations were actually the remains of the arks. There is one formation in Turkey that actually has the same dimensions of the ark in the bible. The muslims actually tout this as the remains of the ark.

 

[I Ratant]

From the link:

Creation Week? Is that anything like Shark Week?

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It was much more exciting!
Look at the sequence in Disney's "Fantasia".."The Rite of Spring".

 

[Venom]

Speaking of the ark I have noticed several boat shaped rock formations around various mountain ranges in Turkey and other parts of the middle east. I'm of the opinions that these are what caused ancient writers to think that there was a flood and that these rock formations were actually the remains of the arks. There is one formation in Turkey that actually has the same dimensions of the ark in the bible. The muslims actually tout this as the remains of the ark.

Interesting.....I used to stick to four popular theories regarding the flood:

-Black sea deluge
-Laurentide ice sheet collapse
-Burkle impact
-Thera eruption

My favorite used to be the Black sea deluge event, although some researchers say the filling was probably gradual instead of the Mediterranean just bursting into the Black sea.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Speaking of the ark I have noticed several boat shaped rock formations around various mountain ranges in Turkey and other parts of the middle east. I'm of the opinions that these are what caused ancient writers to think that there was a flood and that these rock formations were actually the remains of the arks. There is one formation in Turkey that actually has the same dimensions of the ark in the bible. The muslims actually tout this as the remains of the ark.

You're referrring to the Durupinar site promoted by Ron Wyatt and others. The Turkish government has turned it into a tourist site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durupınar_site

 

[Halfcentaur]

Speaking of the ark I have noticed several boat shaped rock formations around various mountain ranges in Turkey and other parts of the middle east. I'm of the opinions that these are what caused ancient writers to think that there was a flood and that these rock formations were actually the remains of the arks. There is one formation in Turkey that actually has the same dimensions of the ark in the bible. The muslims actually tout this as the remains of the ark.

I think it's much more likely that massive regional floods are fairly common in Earth's history and people have been experiencing them for well over 100,000 years. They end up getting spread around in many myths and legends, and now you see the Judeo/Christian mythology borrowing the flood myth from the Gilgamesh story, and this myth is touted as fact by a dominant religion currently alive and well in the present time that wants to claim all these myths are evidence of their own.

 

[Wolfman]

I think it's much more likely that massive regional floods are fairly common in Earth's history and people have been experiencing them for well over 100,000 years. They end up getting spread around in many myths and legends, and now you see the Judeo/Christian mythology borrowing the flood myth from the Gilgamesh story, and this myth is touted as fact by a dominant religion currently alive and well in the present time that wants to claim all these myths are evidence of their own.

My own personal theory is this:

Tens of thousands of years ago, aliens came and took a whole bunch of animals from our planet, and put them in a giant space zoo. Some humans (or human ancestors) were included in the mix. They were taken away to a giant water world (the aliens were amphibious), where they spent some time being experimented on, and being genetically enhanced. Eventually, some of the human and animal offspring were brought back to Earth, and reintroduced, where due to their genetic enhancements, they were able to outcompete many of the local species, driving them to extinction.

Thus, the ark parable is an ancestral memory of the space ship that took them away (and later returned them); and the flood story is an ancestral memory of the water world on which they were kept.

It makes as much (if not more) sense than what Christians actually claim happened


ETA: Dammit...I've just created the basis for a whole new religion! L. Ron move over!

 

[Halfcentaur]

My own personal theory is this:

Tens of thousands of years ago, aliens came and took a whole bunch of animals from our planet, and put them in a giant space zoo. Some humans (or human ancestors) were included in the mix. They were taken away to a giant water world (the aliens were amphibious), where they spent some time being experimented on, and being genetically enhanced. Eventually, some of the human and animal offspring were brought back to Earth, and reintroduced, where due to their genetic enhancements, they were able to outcompete many of the local species, driving them to extinction.

Thus, the ark parable is an ancestral memory of the space ship that took them away (and later returned them); and the flood story is an ancestral memory of the water world on which they were kept.

It makes as much (if not more) sense than what Christians actually claim happened


ETA: Dammit...I've just created the basis for a whole new religion! L. Ron move over!

Or a ten mile high primal god of great power with a phallus made of storm clouds that could manifest as erect utilizing a field of suspended rain drops and lightening once strode the land, and died, and was reborn as an avatar inside of me, and you're a figment of my saga mind intended to awaken these memories within me so I may realize my destiny.

 

[Venom]

My own personal theory is this:

Tens of thousands of years ago, aliens came and took a whole bunch of animals from our planet, and put them in a giant space zoo. Some humans (or human ancestors) were included in the mix. They were taken away to a giant water world (the aliens were amphibious), where they spent some time being experimented on, and being genetically enhanced. Eventually, some of the human and animal offspring were brought back to Earth, and reintroduced, where due to their genetic enhancements, they were able to outcompete many of the local species, driving them to extinction.

Thus, the ark parable is an ancestral memory of the space ship that took them away (and later returned them); and the flood story is an ancestral memory of the water world on which they were kept.

Theory:

a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena.

You're dismantled......Next.

 

[I Ratant]

I think it's much more likely that massive regional floods are fairly common in Earth's history and people have been experiencing them for well over 100,000 years. They end up getting spread around in many myths and legends, and now you see the Judeo/Christian mythology borrowing the flood myth from the Gilgamesh story, and this myth is touted as fact by a dominant religion currently alive and well in the present time that wants to claim all these myths are evidence of their own.

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Could be a bunch of travelers got together at an oasis someplace and started swapping tales...
"You think THAT was a flood? Lemme tell you what a REAL flood is like!!!"
First liar doesn't have a chance.

 

[I Ratant]

Or a ten mile high primal god of great power with a phallus made of storm clouds that could manifest as erect utilizing a field of suspended rain drops and lightening once strode the land, and died, and was reborn as an avatar inside of me, and you're a figment of my saga mind intended to awaken these memories within me so I may realize my destiny.

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That wasn't "rain"...Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww!

 

[RationalVetMed]

I think this paper is relevant to the discussion:

The Impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark
http://ncse.com/cej/4/1/impossible-voyage-noahs-ark

It's from the National Center for Science Education.

I think it does a great job of sorting out every aspect of Noah's voyage, especially the funny things you can find in the cramped quarters of this big ship.

I've just finished reading this brilliant piece - I always have a big respect for people who can spend their time carrying out such straight faced and serious demolitions on stuff which is clearly bonkers in the first place.

You can say one thing for christian fundamentalists - they sure know how to ruin a good story (not to mention a good religion)

Gits...

Yuri

 

[Marduk]

Some Christian groups are saying that the ark contained dna of animals and not the actual animal except for the meat variety of edible animal. Apparently Moses was able to put the dna to good use and repopulate the earth. Then he took the kangeroos to australia and the jaguars to south america.

thats not the christian groups, thats the ancient alien bleevers
the christian groups don't believe in ancient advanced technology, it would undermine Gods plan

Interesting.....I used to stick to four popular theories regarding the flood:

My favorite used to be the Black sea deluge event, although some researchers say the filling was probably gradual instead of the Mediterranean just bursting into the Black sea.

modern data shows the black sea deluge event didn't even happen
its funny that you would believe that to be the origin though, have you never heard of Gilgamesh ?

I think it's much more likely that massive regional floods are fairly common in Earth's history and people have been experiencing them for well over 100,000 years. They end up getting spread around in many myths and legends, and now you see the Judeo/Christian mythology borrowing the flood myth from the Gilgamesh story, and this myth is touted as fact by a dominant religion currently alive and well in the present time that wants to claim all these myths are evidence of their own.

that kind of borrowing though just pushes the truth further back in time
lucky for all of us that the origin of the gilgamesh flood has been known to scholars for over 50 years or you lot might have missed it

 

[welshdean]

... ask why God made a flood in the first place when he could just have teleported all the people he didn't like ... to Australia

No mate, that was the English in the 1780's.

My own personal theory is this:

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Thus, the ark parable is an ancestral memory of the space ship that took them away (and later returned them); and the flood story is an ancestral memory of the water world on which they were kept.

It makes as much (if not more) sense than what Christians actually claim happened


ETA: Dammit...I've just created the basis for a whole new religion! L. Ron move over!

 

[H'ethetheth]

And, as an indicator of the rigor and accuracy of the link, please note that it claims that human sperm can fertilize hamster eggs.

Richard Gere better watch out.

I thought only bunnies lay eggs.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

I thought only bunnies lay eggs.

Every female animal produces eggs, but you're right, only bunnie (does technically) lay eggs.

 

[WhatRoughBeast]

I thought only bunnies lay eggs.

Sorry, I was referring to an old urban myth about Richard Gere and hamsters - or was it gerbils?

 

[WhatRoughBeast]

I thought only bunnies lay eggs.

Generally true, except for Australia, where prior to the Great Bunny Invasion (ca 1859), the function was performed by the Easter Platypus.