Nuclear (i.e. fission and fusion) mythologies and politics

twinstead said:
Not a single one? Wow. You're talking about a HUGE body of images. What about them aren't convincing to you.
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They look like model explosions. By model I here mean for example a 1:10 scale explosion using many tons of conventional explosives.
 
Anders Lindman said:
They look like model explosions. By model I here mean for example a 1:10 scale explosion using many tons of conventional explosives.
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Oh and all the thousands of people who watched those explosions - are they all in on the conspiracy too?

How did they fake this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l6Q8Q1smwg

Perhaps you could provide some evidence that they faked all that footage and explain how they did that in the 1940 and earlier 1950s

Actually the question should be who wasn't in on it?
 
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Anders Lindman said:
I posted a link to the source for that (the second part) in another thread. Don't remember which thread.
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So the answer is you can't provide a citation?

Anders Lindman said:
For example hundreds of individual photos of the mushroom clouds over Nagasaki and/or Hiroshima. The Japanese people were very much into photography already back then so a lot of such photos should exist since the clouds would have been visible over huge distances and for a long period of time. Also professional media teams in Japan should have photographed and filmed the mushroom clouds. All I found were a few dubious pictures.
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Argument from incredulity?

Anders Lindman said:
I haven't seen a single convincing photo or video of any atom bomb explosion.
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As determined by you? Please explain your criterion for determining what is an authentic photo of an atomic explosion and what is not.

Anders Lindman said:
They look like model explosions. By model I here mean for example a 1:10 scale explosion using many tons of conventional explosives.
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Please also explain your criterion for determining what is an authentic photo of a full sized explosion and what is not. E.G. what does a "model explosion" look like?
 
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Anders Lindman said:
They look like model explosions. By model I here mean for example a 1:10 scale explosion using many tons of conventional explosives.
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Doesn't it seem a little unlikely to you that every single photograph or video of a nuclear explosion by ANY country who has detonated a nuclear bomb for the last 60 years was faked?
 
The same materials used for taking and developing photographs were also needed for war production not to mention that Japan didn't exactly have a really good supply chain for a few years before that.

I also find it humorous that you think that Japan had a huge media ready to go at a moments notice all over the country just in case an attack happened so that they could document everything (and all of this to be up and running before the mushroom cloud dissipated of course).
 
twinstead said:
Doesn't it seem a little unlikely to you that every single photograph or video of a nuclear explosion by ANY country who has detonated a nuclear bomb for the last 60 years was faked?
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Strange then how worked up we get over even the possibility a rouge nation such as North Korea or Iran might get the (non-working) bomb?
 
Robrob said:
Strange then how worked up we get over even the possibility a rouge nation such as North Korea or Iran might get the (non-working) bomb?
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Well, according to Anders, governments actually think they have real nuclear bombs
 
Hans said:
Oh and all the thousands of people who watched those explosions - are they all in on the conspiracy too?

How did they fake this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l6Q8Q1smwg

Perhaps you could provide some evidence that they faked all that footage and explain how they did that in the 1940 and earlier 1950s

Actually the question should be who wasn't in on it?
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That's a double exposure of two films. One film with the explosion and another film with the ships and the clouds. The shadows on the clouds from the explosion have been airbrushed in.
 
Robrob said:
As determined by you? Please explain your criterion for determining what is an authentic photo of an atomic explosion and what is not.
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A photo of a real atom bomb explosion should lack a Wilson cloud since the heat radiation from such alleged explosion would prevent such condensation cloud from forming.
 
twinstead said:
Doesn't it seem a little unlikely to you that every single photograph or video of a nuclear explosion by ANY country who has detonated a nuclear bomb for the last 60 years was faked?
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Those who manage the nuclear hoax are an international group.
 
twinstead said:
Well, according to Anders, governments actually think they have real nuclear bombs
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And they should continue to think so. The governments can't handle the truth. Nor can most of the people reading this thread handle the truth, but their conditioning is so deep that they will refuse to believe such a big lie.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Those who manage the nuclear hoax are an international group.
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So now your saying that some group manages the "nuclear hoax"? Do you have any evidence for that? Do they coordinate hoax videos and pictures even among nations who aren't friendly toward each other?

Since you have stated that governments actually believe they have nuclear bombs, this international atomic bomb hoax group must be very powerful and persuasive. Frankly, I find that the more likely explanation is that atomic bombs are real, but that just may be the media and education system taking I suppose.

Other than the arguably ludicrous complaint that the mushroom cloud in Hiroshima and Nagasaki should have been documented thoroughly by the Japanese media, in general terms I'm still unsure what kind of evidence you would consider legitimate that atomic bombs exist. For example, what if a video of a nuclear explosion was sent to an organization or company who specialized in analizing video and they told you that the video was legitimate? I realize that your response would be that the company was controlled by your mysterious hoaxing group, and I know you aren't really a video analyst, so whom would you turn to?
 
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Anders Lindman said:
And they should continue to think so. The governments can't handle the truth. Nor can most of the people reading this thread handle the truth, but their conditioning is so deep that they will refuse to believe such a big lie.
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The problem is that line of reasoning could be used to justify an irrational belief as well as a rational one. So, now's the time that you present some compelling evidence to support your position, is that not correct?
 
twinstead said:
So now your saying that some group manages the "nuclear hoax"? Do you have any evidence for that? Do they coordinate hoax videos and pictures even among nations who aren't friendly toward each other?

Since you have stated that governments actually believe they have nuclear bombs, this international atomic bomb hoax group must be very powerful and persuasive. Frankly, I find that the more likely explanation is that atomic bombs are real, but that just may be the media and education system taking I suppose.

Other than the arguably ludicrous complaint that the mushroom cloud in Hiroshima and Nagasaki should have been documented thoroughly by the Japanese media, in general terms I'm still unsure what kind of evidence you would consider legitimate that atomic bombs exist. For example, what if a video of a nuclear explosion was sent to an organization or company who specialized in analizing video told you that the video was legitimate? I realize that your response would be that the company was controlled by your mysterious hoaxing group, and I know you aren't really a video analyst, so who would you turn to?
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Of course. The whole atom bomb hoax has been thoroughly planned. And as for how the coordination is done the different countries simply need to use a lot of conventional explosives, such as: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VANyY87-_Q

Unfortunately, any image expert who said that an image or film of an allegedly real nuclear explosion was in fake would be silenced.
 
twinstead said:
The problem is that line of reasoning could be used to justify an irrational belief as well as a rational one. So, now's the time that you present some compelling evidence to support your position, is that not correct?
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Nope. Most people are not ready for any real evidence of this. And besides, I don't have any solid evidence to present anyway. :D
 
Hans said:
Oh and all the thousands of people who watched those explosions - are they all in on the conspiracy too?

How did they fake this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l6Q8Q1smwg
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Model boats and "model" explosion (wtf?), all set 10 times closer to the audience than was reported. Also, military personnel have infamously poor depth perception.

Or I could just let Anders come up with some equally nonsensical bullcrap.
 
where's rerevisionist anyway? Maybe he has the evidence that Anders is looking for.
 
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