JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Oswald claimed to be a Marxist, but actually was a loyal patriotic American who loved his country, loved his president, was a former US Marine, worked for Naval Intelligence, as well as an operative for CIA and FBI, was sent to USSR after having been sheep dipped as a disloyal American, but never revoked his citizenship, was apparently sent to language school so that he could speak fluent Russian, then sent to USSR so that he could spy for the US. While he made a big splash with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, he was also working with anti-Castro groups at the same time. Someday, when the full truth is accepted, he should be posthumously awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If nothing else, this thread did get me to crack open Vinnie B.'s little book of Reclaiming History, where I find this gem (pg 967):

[Lee Harvey Oswald] is someone who ... not only had a propensity for violence (his attempted murder of Major General Edwin Walker ..., his threat to blow up the FBI building ...), but also was emotionally and psychologically unhinged; was a bitter, frustrated, and beaten-down loser who felt alienated from society and couldn't get along with anyone, including his wife; irrationally viewed himself in a historical light, having visions of grandeur and of changing the world; was one whose political ideology consumed his daily life, causing him to keep time to his own drummer in a lonely obsession with Marxism and Castro's Cuba; and hated his country and its representatives to such an extent that he defected to one of the most undesirable places on earth.

It's a good thing we have "common knowledge" to tell us otherwise.

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[Tomtomkent]

Oh god. Don't suggest "Bug Man" might know what he is talking about. Apparently he is mad for wanting George Bush impeached for the war crime of opening hostilities on falsified information. Gosh wanting the perpetrators of some kind of percieved conspiracy brought to task in a court of law.

By contrast when RP proves that LBJ orchestrated a conspiracy involving the FBI, CIA, Mafia, DCPD, anti Castro Cubans, Warren Commission, Military Medical units and more he will want that proof used forclearing the name of LHO and getting the boy a medal. I wonder how that can be done with out somekind of "insane" legal process?

 

[Robert Prey]

WTF?

I sincerely hope you don't think that is real. Given your support of other wild flights of fancy it's hard to tell when yer kidding.

Six to eight seconds of the Z film deleted. So much for solid, unimpeachable material evidence.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n1/healy1.html

 

[Robert Prey]

Wht do the CTwinkies seem immune to changing their minds?
When I first paid attention to JFK 20 years ago, I picked up "High Treason" and couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Bald faced misrepresentations of the information those two twits were discussing.
I'd known about the idiotic Zig-Zag bullet crap from Lane, but this one had that and more downright falsehoods.
I then picked up a copy of the WCR to see what it really said, and found that all the novels published about JFK are all from the same mold... Lie, lie and lie.
If the reader isn't too swift, and can't see the lies, he will adopt the explanation of the novel that has imprinted him, and defend it vigorously!
They've made the mental commitment, and will never admit they could be wrong.
Since then, I've talked to some of the novelists, and found them superficial to ludicrous.

Oh, you've actually talked to some of the "novelists", eh? And just who have you talked to that you find so ludicrous????? Names, please.

 

[Robert Prey]

My fault. I meant, why do the CTwits do it? Why do they embrace cognitive dissonance that would be painful for normal people?

That's another psychological example of projection -- those are the symptoms of the hopeless Lone Nutters, trapped by the realization of having been snookered and duped for half a century. Now totally immune from rational thought and objective reality. Brainwashed. You know the Lone Nutter is thoroughly beaten, when all he has left is ad hominem attack.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Six to eight seconds of the Z film deleted. So much for solid, unimpeachable material evidence.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n1/healy1.html

Rubbish for two reasons:
1) first generation copies of the full film exist and have already been discussed.
2) there remains no evidence of the rear exit wound AFTER the "missing" frames, or from the polaroid taken after the three shots were fired.

 

[Tomtomkent]

That's another psychological example of projection -- those are the symptoms of the hopeless Lone Nutters, trapped by the realization of having been snookered and duped for half a century. Now totally immune from rational thought and objective reality. Brainwashed. You know the Lone Nutter is thoroughly beaten, when all he has left is ad hominem attack.

Then feel free to prove your own reality is objective. Supply some material evidence instead of subjective testemony.

 

[Robert Prey]

Rubbish for two reasons:
1) first generation copies of the full film exist and have already been discussed.
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A first generation copy is not an original.

 

[RoboTimbo]

That's another psychological example of projection -- those are the symptoms of the hopeless Lone Nutters, trapped by the realization of having been snookered and duped for half a century. Now totally immune from rational thought and objective reality. Brainwashed. You know the Lone Nutter is thoroughly beaten, when all he has left is ad hominem attack.

I'd be happy to feel duped. You just need to provide some evidence for it. Were you thinking that the frame you showed from the Zapruder film where you used your red crayon to color in ejecta to the rear was evidence? Your "evidence" is becoming more detached from reality the longer you post here.

 

[RoboTimbo]

A first generation copy is not an original.

Is a frame from the Zapruder film where you used your red crayon an original?

 

[Tomtomkent]

A first generation copy is not an original.

And the relevance is....? Do you per chance have evidence they contain different images from the original? That they are somehow innaccurate or fake? That would not explain why JFK has the back of his head in tact at the end of the film. As verified by the polaroid.

When will you supply material evidence that actually supports your claim and shows what you pretend it shows?

 

[Robert Prey]

And the relevance is....? Do you per chance have evidence they contain different images from the original? That they are somehow innaccurate or fake? That would not explain why JFK has the back of his head in tact at the end of the film. As verified by the polaroid.

When will you supply material evidence that actually supports your claim and shows what you pretend it shows?

Would you agree that there is a discrepancy comparing the Z film head injury to the death stare photo?

 

[Walter Ego]

Another Stundie From Robert

That's another psychological example of projection -- those are the symptoms of the hopeless Lone Nutters, trapped by the realization of having been snookered and duped for half a century. Now totally immune from rational thought and objective reality. Brainwashed. You know the Lone Nutter is thoroughly beaten, when all he has left is ad hominem attack.

He said after launching his own ad hominem attack. Examples like this of Robert's hypocrisy are becoming too numerous to comment upon.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Would you agree that there is a discrepancy comparing the Z film head injury to the death stare photo?

Would you agree that there is a discrepancy between the massive exit wound in the right front of JFK's head as shown in the Zapruder film and your red crayon drawing?

Is your crayon drawing stuck on a refrigerator somewhere?

 

[Walter Ego]

Would you agree that there is a discrepancy between the massive exit wound in the right front of JFK's head as shown in the Zapruder film and your red crayon drawing?

Is your crayon drawing stuck on a refrigerator somewhere?

Robert is playing with crayons?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Robert is playing with crayons?

From this post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7780159#post7780159

If the evidence shows the opposite of what he believes, he just brings his red crayon and makes his own evidence.

 

[matt.tansy]

That's another psychological example of projection -- those are the symptoms of the hopeless Lone Nutters, trapped by the realization of having been snookered and duped for half a century. Now totally immune from rational thought and objective reality. Brainwashed. You know the Lone Nutter is thoroughly beaten, when all he has left is ad hominem attack.

Not all Lone Nutters have always been Lone Nutters. I believed the assassination was a conspiracy for years. Then I read Best Evidence and started to realize the CTs were out of their gourd. Crossfire was the final nail in my conspiracy coffin.

 

[Robert Prey]

From this post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7780159#post7780159

If the evidence shows the opposite of what he believes, he just brings his red crayon and makes his own evidence.

The pic is merely an example of how easy it is to alter a film. Obviously. Now perhaps you would like to address the question at hand. Is there a discrepancy of the right front head wound as depicted in the Z film and the death stare photo? No more Red Herrings, please. Let's all act like grown-ups.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Would you agree that there is a discrepancy comparing the Z film head injury to the death stare photo?

Not when you look at the uncropped photographs. The large exit wound on the top front of the head matches, and. The folded back flap of skin you like to pretend was an entry wound matches.

What it proves is that you have no idea what you are looking at!

 

[Tomtomkent]

The pic is merely an example of how easy it is to alter a film. Obviously. Now perhaps you would like to address the question at hand. Is there a discrepancy of the right front head wound as depicted in the Z film and the death stare photo? No more Red Herrings, please. Let's all act like grown-ups.

Robert that proves how immature your arguments are. The uncropped version of thephotograph clearly shows your analysis is wrong. You will no doubt declare it a fake with no evidence. Your scrawled drawing proves nothing about how easy it is to fake photographs convincingly, as it was utterly unconvincing.

I recommend that if you want to start acting like a grown up you offer material evidence and stop attempting to patronise the rest of the world for not buying your twaddle at face value with out it.