Nuclear (i.e. fission and fusion) mythologies and politics

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Various replies - I'm not going to put quote bubbles; there's simply too much junk

@LUKRAAK SISSER - We're talking, or at least I am, about the release of massive amounts of energy, not tiny amounts of tracers. Is that so difficult to understand?

Yes, and the only way we can MAKE those tracers is in a nuclear reactor. By using the massive amounts of energy released there to force nuclear fusion to occur which makes the radioactive phosphor and sulphur. Neither of which occur in nature in anywhere near the quantities to be collected in any other way.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

@SAM.I.AM - You confirm you've never seen a 'nuclear bomb' explode. You also seem to confirm you have no idea whether a nuclear ship is in fact propelled by nuclear fission.

I can confirm that the last above ground nuclear weapons test by the US was done before I was born therefore it was impossible for me to witness one in person. That doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Using your brand of logic you aren't alive because you didn't see your parents having sex to conceive you.

I can confirm that all nuclear powered ships are propelled by steam produced by nuclear fission or electricity produced by steam that was produced by nuclear fission. I can also confirm that there are emergency means of propulsion meant to be used only when the nuclear reactor is no longer operating (intentionally or through a casualty) that are substantially inferior to the steam propulsion in stealth, endurance and speed and are rarely used except for maintenance or training drills.

@CATSMATE - You tell me. It's a fact that pre-say 1945 subs used batteries, which they recharged by running diesel engines at the surface, where of course they could get air. I would suspect battery design has improved in the last say 90 years.

There were operational US boats that only used the diesel-battery combination until 1990 (the Barbel class). There was only one major improvement post WWII in the GUPPY II battery design where they raided the US treasury for silver for the plates inside.

Nuclear boats don't have those batteries, they have a version of the Sargo battery which is less expensive to produce but has less endurance at the 1 hour rate. They don't need the same endurance because they have a nuclear reactor.

 

[Craig4]

[I couldn't get my own quote included].

I find it hard to believe you're so stupid; but maybe you are. I'll try to be schematic:--
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I'd suggest you take a quick read of your membership agreement.

 

[Travis]

Okay........what is the motive in faking all this?

Also, how does the Sun like exist if this is all true?

If radium is harmless then what caused those that handled it to get really sick and die?

What in the heck killed all those people down in Brazil if it wasn't radioactive material from a hospital?

Why does the Chernobyl exclusion zone still exist?

 

[Dr.Sid]

Btw. if nukes are fake .. what about Moon landing ? Just asking ..

 

[Garrison]

Btw. if nukes are fake .. what about Moon landing ? Just asking ..

Well surely that's much more plausible, no 'searing radiation hell' to deal with.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I thought I'd have another look here, and there's obviously no point replying.

However I doubt whether these posters are entirely typical of people browsers here, so if there are any genuinely quizzical people, do yourself a favour and check the site. Why not find it for yourself, in fact.

What do you expect? Articles debunking conspiracy thoeries can be entertaining and informative reading. However, there are some "theories" which are so stucking foopid that they require no response. "Nuke Lies" is one such theory... coincidentally, the belief that nuclear weapons brought down the WTC on 9/11 is another.

Incidentally, if there are any competent moderators here, could you please remove 'Sword_of_Truth' for his threats of violence. Thanks. I'm sure he or she would appreciate it.

You're a liar. I never threatened you with violence. Your inability to to understand basic English possibly explains your inability to understand more advanced concepts like "nuclear physics" and "sarcasm".

You're a hypocrite. The level of seething hatred you espouse towards a certain ethno-religious minority is effectively advocating violence on a massive scale.

 

[Sledge]

This theory falls at the first hurdle. The sheer number of people required to be actively lying over such a large period of time rules it out completely.

By the way, did Marie Curie start this conspiracy and fake her own death for added realism?

 

[Craig4]

Young Man:

I would like you to read the accounts on this page:
http://thewe.cc/weplanet/news/asia/japan/hiroshima_cover_up.htm

Regardless of your views on the use of the atomic bombs to pretend they do not exist or were not used is not only dishonest but does a disservice to those whose lives were impacted by their use. The bombings were real. What happened to the people in those accounts were real. Would you like to tell the people who survived the blasts that what they experienced was not an atomic bomb? This topic deserves better than you.

 

[Hans]

This theory falls at the first hurdle. The sheer number of people required to be actively lying over such a large period of time rules it out completely.

By the way, did Marie Curie start this conspiracy and fake her own death for added realism?

'There is nothing that one cannot deny the existence of even when you are faced with it'

 

[Dinwar]

I would like you to read the accounts on this page:

The medical effects of the nuclear explosions certainly cannot be explained via conventional weapons. The only options are that it was a nuclear bomb, or that it was a conventional bomb well beyond anything ever deployed since in size, and laced with radioactive material (basically, a giant dirty bomb). The latter would still support the idea of radioactive power, because the material would be active at a high enough rate to cause health problems even after being dispursed by the largest conventional explosion in history.

 

[Ranb]

Btw. if nukes are fake .. what about Moon landing ? Just asking ..

If you go to the nuke lies website, you will see that nearly every technological innovation since WWII is claimed to be a "Jewish fraud". At its very core nuke lies is just another wacko anti-semitic forum.

I am shocked that they have not claimed the internet is a fraud.

Ranb

 

[Horatius]

I can confirm that the last above ground nuclear weapons test by the US was done before I was born therefore it was impossible for me to witness one in person. That doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Using your brand of logic you aren't alive because you didn't see your parents having sex to conceive you.

But of course, there are people still alive, who did see these tests. I've even met one, during a tour of the Nevada Test Site a few years ago. He started working there in 1951, and had seen 80 above ground tests, and over 800 underground tests in his career. Including most of the famous ones.

Really nice guy, and I'll take his word over the pseudo-analysis of a site like "Nuke lies" any day.

Well, his word and all the other freaking evidence.

 

[Hans]

If you go to the nuke lies website, you will see that nearly every technological innovation since WWII is claimed to be a "Jewish fraud". At its very core nuke lies is just another wacko anti-semitic forum.

I am shocked that they have not claimed the internet is a fraud.

Ranb

I saw a claim a few years ago that the internet was really just a radio that 'warped' radio waves to stimulate your imagination.......their proof was that in their humble opinion there was just to much material on the web to have been actually created in the limited time since its creation........actually that title IS actual

 

[Reactor drone]

Various replies - I'm not going to put quote bubbles; there's simply too much junk

@MG1962 (03 58 pm) - Hiroshima was fire-bombed like all other Japanese cities. The Japanese weren't told there'd been an 'atom bomb' until some time later. You seem to persistently confuse nuclear weapons with uses of radioactive materials in e.g. medicine.

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The large Tokyo fire bombing raid involved 335 B-29s, 279 of which made it to the target and 14 of which were lost to enemy action. How many aircraft do you think were involved in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki raids and why haven't any of the aircrew come forward claiming they took part and how many aircraft did the Japanese shoot down?

 

[Kid Eager]

The ignorance is strong in ReRe.

I have no idea what his response to my post meant - he obviously didn't read and/or comprehend it, and hand-waved away the questions.

I have a challenge for ReRe: explain the Castle Bravo test

 

[catsmate]

I haven't noticed this particular silliness before:

<much silly nonsense snipped> myth of 'trinitite', <some more nonsense snipped>

Nope Trinitite is quite real, I have a chunk in a case on my desk downstairs.

 

[Craig4]

The large Tokyo fire bombing raid involved 335 B-29s, 279 of which made it to the target and 14 of which were lost to enemy action. How many aircraft do you think were involved in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki raids and why haven't any of the aircrew come forward claiming they took part and how many aircraft did the Japanese shoot down?

Great point. ReRe, would you care to show us a witness that saw a mass of American Bombers over either city? Surely there must be some. Are you perhaps suggesting that two aircraft loaded with incendiary devices caused the the same or more damage than the fleets of aircraft that bombed other cities?

 

[jaydeehess]

But of course, there are people still alive, who did see these tests. I've even met one, during a tour of the Nevada Test Site a few years ago. He started working there in 1951, and had seen 80 above ground tests, and over 800 underground tests in his career. Including most of the famous ones.

Really nice guy, and I'll take his word over the pseudo-analysis of a site like "Nuke lies" any day.

Well, his word and all the other freaking evidence.

I too met one, the father of a friend of mine. He's gone now.
I suppose since Rerevis never met him, he never existed.

 

[jaydeehess]

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@JAYDEEHESS - You have been told, repeatedly, that H & N were atom-bombed. You've seen TV stuff, newpspaer stuff, Time-Life stuff, etc. Try to get it into your head that this material may have been wrong. Test it in the way you'd test any other hypothesis.
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What? Build one myself? OTOH I could, and have, studied the physics involved. I have read many articles in the last 40 years about nuke and atomic research. You are telling me that all of these people are lieing?

I have also been 'told' how the physics works and seen a Canadian designed reactor called "Slowpoke" in operation.

I have personally met and conversed with others who have their Ph.D. in physics just as thousands, actually probably tens of thousands, of people do, ALL of which understand and accept the physics involved,. Even if one does not work on nuclear explosives one can deduce that the theory does work if they are involved with nuclear energy, nuclear medicine, subatomic research, astrophysics, and even doctorate level mathematics.

You are essentially claiming that these tens of thousands of people, plus all those with Masters degrees working alongside the Ph.D.s, all those engineers working on these projects are all perpetuating this "Jewish lie". Oddly enough two of the phyicists I spoke with are Hindu.

I did not see you respond to the fact that not only the USA tested nukes but so did the French, the English, the Russians, and the Chinese. They all got together and decided to perpetuate the same "Jewish lie"? How very odd! ETA: I forgot to mention India and Pakistan. How does it work that both of these countries stand off against each other both relying the same fictitious weapon?
The North Koreans now are trying it out as well. Gee if they can't make it work then Kim will suppose he can invade S.Korea without having to worry about others turning his country into a smoking hole south of the Yalu.