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Australian Federal Election 2010

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On the back of what was (supposed to be) a great fortnight for Labor, I hear Newspoll has the coalition in the lead on 2PP 57:43 (link later).

They are definitely onto a winning strategy. ;)

Worst PM ever.


The ABC putting a rosy glow on an appalling result:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-22/abbott-approval-drops/3685456


(headline)
Gillard shades Abbott as preferred PM

(facts)
A new poll shows the Coalition has pulled further ahead of Labor, but Julia Gillard has edged ahead of Tony Abbott as preferred prime minister.

The latest Newspoll, published in the Australian newspaper, shows the Opposition Leader's rating as preferred prime minister has slumped by five points to 35 per cent, while Ms Gillard's position has risen one point to 40 per cent.

It is the first time in five months that Mr Abbott has trailed Ms Gillard in the preferred prime minister stakes.

However, the Coalition has pulled further ahead of Labor on a two-party preferred basis, 57 to 43 per cent.

Labor's primary vote also dipped two points to 30 per cent, while the Coalition's rose four points to 48 per cent.
 
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Keep the discussion civil please.

Additionally, posts discussing climate change are off-topic and should be made in the moderated Global Warming thread.
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Gillard has lied or at best misled:
India, China and the USA are not doing as she has said:
- "emission intensity": with India and China will actually see an increase in overall emissions.
- the fact that the USA is not applying a carbon (dioxide) tax nor ETS. At best they have plans for a direct action-type program.
Gillard has claimed these countries are doing as we are; they are not. And to suggest otherwise is blatantly and demonstrably untrue.
 
a_unique_person said:
No. Can you indicate where it is claimed Australia will become a utopia because of the tax.
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It must be creating something - it won't change the climate. It won't improve the economy. It won't create jobs. Surely it is designed to create a green utopia somewhere down the track. If not, what's the point? ;)
 
I love the way that you try to denigrate by listing all of the things it was never intended to address. More intellectual dishonesty from the Denier Right, just like amb's 'utopia' claim, you guys just love building those straw men so that you've got an argument you can actually attack.

The goal of the Clean Energy Future bill is to meet the bipartisan target of a reduction in Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels by 2020.

And it will create jobs, just you watch, all your doomsying and naysying will be comical to look back on come July next year. You asked earlier what I do for a living? I work in for a small renewable energy company and, believe me, we are looking very closely at the Renewable Energy Future Fund to expand out business and, in the meantime, are working on plans to expand come July next year to take advantage of the tax and the upward pressure it will put on energy costs. There's going to be a big demand for anything that can lower people's electricity bills.

We're going to be looking for commercial project managers, installation co-ordinators, electrical contractors, sales and admin staff and management, all solely on the back of this legislation.

And that's nothing on what the big boys will be doing. I have contacts at Origin Energy and they're about to go gangbusters on renewable investment, they've been waiting for years for this certainty to start unlocking a huge amount of capital investment into the sector. From new solar technology (expect to see some waves about that early next year) to gas exploration expansion.

This is a market signal that will drive the beginning of a new industrial revolution. And it's just the beginning, when you look at the scope of the challenge facing us, ie. a complete transformation of the globl economy, clean tech is going to be the biggest, baddest kid on the block for the next hundred years at least.
 
bit_pattern said:
I love the way that you try to denigrate by listing all of the things it was never intended to address.
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You must be kidding! These are the claims Gillard made from the outset, we also discussed these things months ago. Now you are saying the claims were never made?!?? :confused:

Here is one speech from Gillard on the topic which include lines such as:

http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/speech-don-dunstan-foundation-adelaide

"Inaction will cost jobs.”

"A sustainable environment for future generations – an environment with less carbon pollution."

“We will see new job opportunities in clean energy generation.”

"And we must cut carbon pollution."

"And it will provide a real incentive for firms to reduce their carbon pollution."

"Or leaving our economy to decay into a rusting industrial museum."

"We cannot afford to be stranded with an outdated high-emissions economy."

"Delay will cost them jobs."

"Inaction will also cost jobs because emission-intensive economies will become uncompetitive in a low carbon world."

"Inaction will cost jobs.
Action will support jobs.
Friends, action on climate change means creating new jobs for the future.
It means saving and transforming existing jobs.
It means re-skilling workers for the future."

"Friends, a price on carbon is the cheapest way to drive investment and jobs."

"...a market in carbon will not only cut carbon pollution but make the economy more efficient as a whole."
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The tax (as claimed by her) in short is designed to"
- create jobs
- protect jobs
- secure the economy
- save the environment
- reduce greenhouse emissions and save the world.

And you accuse me of dishonesty. Who is really being dishonest here? Incredible! :boggled:
 
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bit_pattern said:
I love the way that you try to denigrate by listing all of the things it was never intended to address. More intellectual dishonesty from the Denier Right, just like amb's 'utopia' claim, you guys just love building those straw men so that you've got an argument you can actually attack.

The goal of the Clean Energy Future bill is to meet the bipartisan target of a reduction in Australia's emissions by 5% on 2000 levels by 2020.

And it will create jobs, just you watch, all your doomsying and naysying will be comical to look back on come July next year. You asked earlier what I do for a living? I work in for a small renewable energy company and, believe me, we are looking very closely at the Renewable Energy Future Fund to expand out business and, in the meantime, are working on plans to expand come July next year to take advantage of the tax and the upward pressure it will put on energy costs. There's going to be a big demand for anything that can lower people's electricity bills.

We're going to be looking for commercial project managers, installation co-ordinators, electrical contractors, sales and admin staff and management, all solely on the back of this legislation.

And that's nothing on what the big boys will be doing. I have contacts at Origin Energy and they're about to go gangbusters on renewable investment, they've been waiting for years for this certainty to start unlocking a huge amount of capital investment into the sector. From new solar technology (expect to see some waves about that early next year) to gas exploration expansion.

This is a market signal that will drive the beginning of a new industrial revolution. And it's just the beginning, when you look at the scope of the challenge facing us, ie. a complete transformation of the globl economy, clean tech is going to be the biggest, baddest kid on the block for the next hundred years at least.
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In the words of Pauline Hanson. [Please Explain] How the F......... is this going to create any jobs apart from heaps of them in the bureaucracy?
 
Oh, and on the latest polls. If the Liberal Party is smart, they will get rid of Abbott and completely destroy the Labor Party. It would never recover from the destruction, then the Greens will become the opposition, ensuring the Libs could be in for many decades. Australia could easily become a dictatorship thanks to the worst government this country has ever had in it's short history.
 
Alfie, not only has your rather pathetic predictions of Gillard's demise been completely wrong, she's starting to recover in the polls. Care to give another prediction of when she will go?

Personally, I think she will outlast the worst opposition leader ever.
 
lionking said:
Alfie, not only has your rather pathetic predictions of Gillard's demise been completely wrong, she's starting to recover in the polls. Care to give another prediction of when she will go?

Personally, I think she will outlast the worst opposition leader ever.
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You might be right but Gillard is not safe yet.

And sure I made a prediction and got it wrong. Big deal - do you think I die in shame on what is basically a pub bet? Really? I also said that Tebdulkar was past it about 12 months ago, and as if on queue he hits a double ton. :o

As for the polls. Her personal approval rating improved a bit but Labor is back in the toilet and the newest Julia is fast becoming a conservative.

Worst PM ever
 
I hope you are correct lionknig. I could not bear to see that idiot leading this country. That's why I have such low esteem for most politicians. What are our choices? The Liberals with anyone else leading them except Abbott will win with a possible 60% of the vote.
 
Alfie,

Yet despite the differences in the party preferences, your hero can't beat Gillard. Pathetic, don't you think?

When do you think the worst Opposition Leader ever will be replaced by Turnbull? Mind you, your predictions have been spectacularly wrong so far.
 
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lionking said:
Alfie,

Yet despite the differences in the party preferences, your hero can't beat Gillard. Pathetic, don't you think?

When do you think the worst Opposition Leader ever will be replaced by Townsend? Mind you, your predictions have been spectacularly wrong so far.
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He he. Abbott isn't my hero (and neither is Townsend - unless you mean Pete) and I'm not sure why you think he is. If I have a political hero at the moment it wouldn't be him. I will say however - as I have said before - he has done quite a stunning job considering where he came from just before becoming leader.

And I don't lose a lot of sleep ove pub bets. But I do have fun predicting which fly will crawl further up the wall. :)
 
Both parties made a mistake in dumping previous leaders. Rudd, and Turnbull.
 
Rudd is a goose who has as much chance of becoming ALP leader as me.

And of course I meant Turnbull before. Mea culpa.
 
After the slaughter of the next election, assuming Steven Smith holds his seat, which I doubt, because seats with a majority of even a min.of 10% will fall to the Libs. Will/should lead the Labor Party. The only cleanskin left. But it will be a long way back if ever. That's why Bob Brown is forever smiling like a Cheshire cat. He can see the writing on the wall.
 
amb said:
After the slaughter of the next election, assuming Steven Smith holds his seat, which I doubt, because seats with a majority of even a min.of 10% will fall to the Libs.
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And where exactly are you getting this uniform swing of greater than 10% from?
 
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Wildy said:
And where exactly are you getting this uniform swing of greater than 10% from?
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Just guessing, but as it stands there is a 14 point difference between the two parties on 2pp at the moment. Apply that accross the board and you have a massacre of monumental proportions.
 
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