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Oh that's easy, he'll claim that since Brennan didn't completely identify Oswald in a line-up (fearing for his family at the time he merely said it was probably him). He'll totally overlook Brennan's testimony to the WC and confirmation that he saw Oswald in the window.
This is a small space, and zilliions of words and hundreds of books have been written to cover all of the possibilities, so in the future, please limit your questions to one at a time. Nontheless I'll humor you this once.
I for one don't hold you under any obligation to answer each and every one of my questions. You're free to pick and choose or ignore all of the questions if you wish. I just don't see the point in parceling out my questions one post at a time.
"Oswald had motive,"
Not even discussed yet on this board. If he had motive, could you kindly relate as to what that might have been? LHO was repeatedly quoted as admiring Pres. Kennedy. So what was his motive?????
Half of Posner's book is devoted to Oswald. I can't do the subject justice in the space of a single post, not a post that anyone will actually read, anyway. Lone nut or not he was a man full of contradictions. Mark David Chapman "admired" John Lennon and a not insignificant number of people in prison admired and loved the people they killed. What's your point?
"Why did the conspirators bother even attempting to forge the lone gunman narrative?
In the words of Fletcher Prouty, to make everyone look "here" instead of "there.".
Use a single gunman stationed exactly where the conspirators claimed him to be? Don't use two or more gunman when the story you're trying to sell to the world is that it was the work of a lone gunman? If you want to frame someone, don't frame a rebellious loose cannon who claims to be an "admirer" of JFK? Don't cobble together a conspiracy plan that somehow manages to fool no one except the people who have sincerely, objectively and methodically investigated the case?
" What I can't buy is that they'd deliberately frame a lone patsy by using multiple shooters in multiple locations. Such a plan would be perversely stupid."
I just don't know how you can logically argue with success.
The conspirators knew while planning it that the plan would be successful because history later proved that the plan was successful? Is that what you are saying? Do you imagine them saying to each other, "you know, it's just crazy enough to work!"?
John Wilkes Booth tried it another way and was caught. The attempted assassins of Reagan,FDR, McKinley and Ford tried it another way and were caught. The JFK hit was successful in that via the use of a convenient Patsy, nobody was ever caught.
In your opinion. It looks to me that Oswald had a lot in common with those other criminals.
"Kennedy was not only in poor health (something your shadowy all seeing cabal would know about). He also had several scandalous secrets that he could have been either blackmailed with or raked over the coals with if they had been made public, potentially affecting his chances at reelection."
Kennedy had just what Obama has going for him today, a friendly, indulgent liberal press. They all knew about K's indiscretions, but their liberal bias prevailed and they kept quiet.
What about leaking the information to the foreign press? Anyway "friendly" and "indulgent" are relative terms. I somehow doubt Obama (or JFK before him) feel the press is "friendly" and "indulgent".
Why was it so important for the conspirators to kill him?
CIA: Threat to break up CIA over Bay of Pigs disaster
Cubans within CIA -- Revenge for Bay of Pigs betrayal.
Mafia: Revenge for Bobby's anti-Mafia crusade after the Mafia had helped elect Kennedy.
LBJ: Hatred for Kennedy and lust for power.
Oh that's easy, he'll claim that since Brennan didn't completely identify Oswald in a line-up (fearing for his family at the time he merely said it was probably him). He'll totally overlook Brennan's testimony to the WC and confirmation that he saw Oswald in the window.
Or more likely as evidence that appeared in the WC it will be declared fake or a whitewash with no evidence to support the assertion. As was done with the autopsy, photographs, palm print, etc.
Of course, if robert admits that an eyewitness can be wrong, he must retract his claim that the parkland witnesses are "best evidence".
A note on the apparent time line if we give roberts claims any credence:
1)In Deeley plaza there is no exit wound on the back of JFKs head. It can not be seen on the Z film, or the poloroid, and the blood stains Rob kindly posted shows no splatter to the top of the seats or the trunk of the car, suggesting any ejecta was directed towards the front of thecar, from the front of the head. Instead we see blood that has poolled once JFK is slumped forwards.
2) somehow the head wound appears in Parkland where it is allegedly seen.
3) but goes away again for the death stare photo, as can be seen inthe uncropped image.
4) and it is still not there at the autopsy.
So what happend between 1) and 2) given the photographic evidence?
And what happened between 2) and 3)?
I dont think there needs to be a whitewash for the WC to have concerns over parkland testemony.
Oh of course the press and media loved JFK before his death. That is why the civil rights movement faced noopposition, that nice Dr King lived to old age and the Cuban crisis was forgiven and forgoton so quicklyand quietly... *sigh*
Or more likely as evidence that appeared in the WC it will be declared fake or a whitewash with no evidence to support the assertion. As was done with the autopsy, photographs, palm print, etc.
Of course, if robert admits that an eyewitness can be wrong, he must retract his claim that the parkland witnesses are "best evidence".
A note on the apparent time line if we give roberts claims any credence:
1)In Deeley plaza there is no exit wound on the back of JFKs head. It can not be seen on the Z film, or the poloroid, and the blood stains Rob kindly posted shows no splatter to the top of the seats or the trunk of the car, suggesting any ejecta was directed towards the front of thecar, from the front of the head. Instead we see blood that has poolled once JFK is slumped forwards.
2) somehow the head wound appears in Parkland where it is allegedly seen.
3) but goes away again for the death stare photo, as can be seen inthe uncropped image.
4) and it is still not there at the autopsy.
So what happend between 1) and 2) given the photographic evidence?
And what happened between 2) and 3)?
I dont think there needs to be a whitewash for the WC to have concerns over parkland testemony.
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The people at Parkland didn't know of the wound in the back of the head, nor the wound in the back.
Any surmisationing they did would be only half right, if that.
If the President was never turned over at Parkland, then how would they be able to observe the wound seen in the drawing which is squarely at the lower back of his head?
IWhat about leaking the information to the foreign press? Anyway "friendly" and "indulgent" are relative terms. I somehow doubt Obama (or JFK before him) feel the press is "friendly" and "indulgent"..
My gawd, there never has been a more indulgent press than the great big slobbering love affair the main stream media has with the Marxist goof currently inhabiting the White House. But as far as a one man assassin, perhaps you may have heard about Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez the guy who took shots at the Community Organizer's living quarters, and actually hit the window from 750 yards. But this Lone Gunman like Booth and all the Lone Gunman assassins, was caught.
Brennan may have seen someone, but even after seeing Oswald on TV that day, Brennan failed to ID Oswald at the police lineup on the night of Nov. 22nd. Then later, he changed his mind, then later, changed his mind again. Not a very credible witness.
My gawd, there never has been a more indulgent press than the great big slobbering love affair the main stream media has with the Marxist goof currently inhabiting the White House. But as far as a one man assassin, perhaps you may have heard about Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez the guy who took shots at the Community Organizer's living quarters, and actually hit the window from 750 yards. But this Lone Gunman like Booth and all the Lone Gunman assassins, was caught.
They confirm the website about entry/exit wounds and the video showing ejecta on the exit side (I'm sure you remember posting both of those) just like the exit wound we see on the top right of Kennedy's head in the Zapruder film. Look on the bottom of both of your feet for other examples of exit wounds.
Answer the question, Robert. Which are you saying all physicists are, all mistaken or all lying?
The science of forensics goes back to 1248 in China, and was formally used in British courts in the 1700s.
How bullets wound is well established.
There's nothing unique about the attribution of the rifle LHOLN used to shoot JFK.
My gawd, there never has been a more indulgent press than the great big slobbering love affair the main stream media has with the Marxist goof currently inhabiting the White House. But as far as a one man assassin, perhaps you may have heard about Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez the guy who took shots at the Community Organizer's living quarters, and actually hit the window from 750 yards. But this Lone Gunman like Booth and all the Lone Gunman assassins, was caught.
Interesting that you would label Obama a "Marxist goof" but will go to any extreme, no matter how absurd, to exonerate Lee Harvey Oswald, a Marxist double murder.
(But then you have admitted you are completely ignorant of Oswald's biography and psychology so perhaps you didn't know he was a Marxist.)
Also John Wilkes Booth was a lone gunman (another term you don't understand) only in the sense that he killed Lincoln without the assistance of one of his co-conspirators. The Lincoln assassination was part of a larger conspiracy to aid the Confederacy by killing Lincoln, Secretary of State William H. Seward and Vice President Andrew Johnson.
What you seem to be saying here is that lone gunman get caught but conspirators get away with it, a ridiculous idea but no dumber than many things you've said on this long and increasingly pointless thread.
Oh that's easy, he'll claim that since Brennan didn't completely identify Oswald in a line-up (fearing for his family at the time he merely said it was probably him). He'll totally overlook Brennan's testimony to the WC and confirmation that he saw Oswald in the window.
Brennan may have seen someone, but even after seeing Oswald on TV that day, Brennan failed to ID Oswald at the police lineup on the night of Nov. 22nd. Then later, he changed his mind, then later, changed his mind again. Not a very credible witness.
Although only Brennan positively ID'd Oswald as the shooter, other witnesses in Dealey Plaza saw the shooter, a man fitting Oswald's description, or the rifle on the 6th floor window of the TSBD.
Robert Jackson, a Dallas Times Herald reporter, and Michael Couch, a cameraman, were riding in the presidential motorcade in an open convertible one block behind JFK's limousine.
Jackson: "I saw the rifle... approximately half of the weapon... and just as I looked at it, it was drawn slowly back into the building." (WC Vol. 2 p. 159)
After the third shot, Couch saw "about a foot of rifle being-- brought [back] into the window." (WC Vol 2 pp. 156-157)
Mrs. Earle Cabell, the wife of the Dallas mayor, four cars behind the president saw "a projection out of those windows... on the sixth floor." (WC Vol 2 p. 486)
James Worrell, a nineteen-year-old student standing on the sidewalk in front of the TSBD, saw "the rifle, about six inches of it. I saw about about four inches of the barrel... but it had a long stock," a description exactly matching Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano. Worrel also saw the gun actually being fired. (WC Vol 2 p.193 & p. 200)
Fifteen-year-old Amos Euins saw "what I thought was a pipe" and he saw "the rifle laying across [the sniper's] hand,and I could see his hand on the trigger." After the third shot, Euins remembered the sniper "pulled the gun back into the window." (WC Vol. 2 page 204)
Euins recalling what he saw on 11/22/63 in Dealey Plaza:
See if you can think real hard and work that one out for yourself. What would the laws of physics have to do with how bullets act? Or react to striking another object? Or the directions it is possible for ejecta travel in? Or to the distortion of the bullet?
Or are you suggesting bullet wounds and bodies are exempt from physics?
Brennan may have seen someone, but even after seeing Oswald on TV that day, Brennan failed to ID Oswald at the police lineup on the night of Nov. 22nd. Then later, he changed his mind, then later, changed his mind again. Not a very credible witness.
Oh that's easy, he'll claim that since Brennan didn't completely identify Oswald in a line-up (fearing for his family at the time he merely said it was probably him). He'll totally overlook Brennan's testimony to the WC and confirmation that he saw Oswald in the window.
A witness with bad eyesight who thinks he saw somebody from a distance but couldn't ID him up close, and then changes his story time and again, is not a credible witness. Obviously.
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