Merged The "official story" meme.

[sylvan8798]

Use your imagination. Good grief. The police chief is Rumsfeld. The Guy is Larry.

Hehe. Thanks for the elucidation. Stupid analogy.

The police chief sends out a memo revising policy that requires his personal authorization to enter the exclusive gated community.

So Rumsfeld sent out a memo requiring that everyone going into the WTC had to get his personal authorization? 50,000 people a day? His arm must have been tired from all that signing.

 

[The Platypus]

Use your imagination. Good grief. The police chief is Rumsfeld. The Guy is Larry.

And there in lies the problem, 911 kooks use their imagination, where as the rest of us use evidence and live in reality.

How about a taste of your own medicine. We should hold 911 cults to their own standards. Since I have seen you and many other 911 kooks tell a lie, that must mean everything 911 kooks say is a lie.

 

[Travis]

Use your imagination. Good grief. The police chief is Rumsfeld. The Guy is Larry.

Okay, so the highlighted actions were supposedly done by Rumsfeld? The red items were supposedly done by Larry?

Miniaturize the events related to 9/11 into a crime or crimes that the authorities might encounter. Then imagine solving it as a whodunnit using the facts provided.


Guy buys two adjacent houses in an exclusive gated community and has them heavily insured.

Which isn't unusual. What would be weirder would be buying two houses and then leaving them uninsured.

The police chief sends out a memo revising policy that requires his personal authorization to enter the exclusive gated community.

I'm at a loss to understand what this is supposed to allude to.

A couple of months go by and low and behold the guy has an opportunity to collect on the policy.

If the houses were destroyed then this is also not unusual.

The guy and his family usually sleep in one during week but were gone when the fires took place.

So?

The people accused of the crime were mostly children of those who worked for his trusted business partner.

What? Is this a new idea that the terrorists were somehow the children of someone that Larry worked with?

The people accused of the crime commandeered public buses with passengers and rode around the gated community for an hour or so before crashing into the homes. Somehow the police never got involved.

Or, the police react as soon as possible but they were too far away and had no equipment to stop it anyways.

The people accused of the crime were all killed in the "suicide" attack.

Okay. So?

Various safety features required in the exclusive gated community fail and the houses are destroyed.

What failed on 9/11 that normally works?

One of the commandeered buses crashed into the police station. A few auxiliary policemen were killed but mostly civil service workers.

Huh???? This makes no sense. If the police station was supposed to represent the Pentagon then this fails. No one deploys from the Pentagon.

Shortly after the event the police chief rescinds the memo.

Again......what?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Has them heavily insured after trying to get them lightly insured, and having the insurance companies insist he up his coverage.

Also, the coverage includes incidents of vandalism, which may not be present in typical coverage, but has happened to those properties in the past.

 

[twinstead]

So Clayton, like everybody else has said, what exactly does your analogy have to do with what ACTUALLY happened on 9-11?

 

[MikeW]

So Rumsfeld sent out a memo requiring that everyone going into the WTC had to get his personal authorization? 50,000 people a day? His arm must have been tired from all that signing.

I think this is supposed to refer to the idea that Rumsfeld changed the intercept procedures to require him to authorise them specifically. He did nothing of the kind, of course, but this is yet another piece of nonsense which won't die.

 

[Robrob]

They were believed enough to get international support. All they seemed to have needed was pretense(s).

The "pretense" being WMD.

And yet they didn't. But they got the war with Iraq the neocons wanted anyway.

So they were willing to hijack four planes, kill the passengers and crew, thousands of citizens burn, fall or are crushed to death, they blew up three buildings and damaged a fourth BUT THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO PLANT A FEW POUNDS OF WMD????

One of the commandeered buses crashed into the police station. A few auxiliary policemen were killed but mostly civil service workers.

And of course, the Police Chief himself (Rumsfeld) was in the police station at the time. Kind of a stupid plan don't you think?

 

[Clayton Moore]

The "pretense" being WMD.


So they were willing to hijack four planes, kill the passengers and crew, thousands of citizens burn, fall or are crushed to death, they blew up three buildings and damaged a fourth BUT THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO PLANT A FEW POUNDS OF WMD????


And of course, the Police Chief himself (Rumsfeld) was in the police station at the time. Kind of a stupid plan don't you think?

Not when what ever happened to the Pentagon caused the fewest possible casualties.

 

[The Platypus]

Not when what ever happened to the Pentagon caused the fewest possible casualties.

What happened to the pentagon was a plane crashed into it and people lost their lives.

But in your delusions, the super evil "they" couldn't possibly do "whatever", and kill less then 125 people and the 64 people (including the hijackers) on the plane....

If you are going to keep playing this game, you seriously should learn to lie better than that.

 

[LSSBB]

Not when what ever happened to the Pentagon caused the fewest possible casualties.

How many possible casualties do you think there should be? It primarily hit an army admin office and the Navy Operations Center, not the food court. People died, and not as many as the terrorists hoped.

You can't have it both ways, you know. Kill 2,000+ people at the World trade center, and yet minimize casualties at the Pentagon???

 

[Robrob]

Not when what ever happened to the Pentagon caused the fewest possible casualties.

Holy cow, a plane/missile crashes into the Pentagon resulting in the deaths of several hundred people and you think that was "safe" for Rumsfeld - one of your imagined conspirators?

How pin-point accurate do you think a plane/missile is and will you ever join the real world and stop basing your fantasies on "24?"

You can't have it both ways, you know. Kill 2,000+ people at the World trade center, and yet minimize casualties at the Pentagon???

They'll have it both ways, the conspiracy wanted to harm the most people and the conspiracy wanted to harm the least people. Remember, the design their fantasy around the end state. Less damage to the Pentagon = they wanted to protect the Pentagon.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

I honestly think that truthers believe that the Pentagon is something other than an overbuilt office building originally intended to store pallets of old service records.

They think that it's packed to the rafters with guys in uniform (there are a lot of them but there are also a lot of civilians).

They think that it contained weapons beyond what you might find in any well secured office building. (Rifles and pistols for the most part. Sorry truthers, there was never a missile battery hidden somewhere on the grounds).

They think that it's a better idea to ring a huge building with HD cameras that can pick out two flies copulating mid air instead of simply using ordinary safes and a few armed guards at key locations.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Holy cow, a plane/missile crashes into the Pentagon resulting in the deaths of several hundred people and you think that was "safe" for Rumsfeld - one of your imagined conspirators?

How pin-point accurate do you think a plane/missile is and will you ever join the real world and stop basing your fantasies on "24?"



They'll have it both ways, the conspiracy wanted to harm the most people and the conspiracy wanted to harm the least people. Remember, the design their fantasy around the end state. Less damage to the Pentagon = they wanted to protect the Pentagon.

It was about perceived vulnerability. It was never about killing people.

What terrorist would ever think the Pentagon was an option? WTFU.

 

[sylvan8798]

It was about perceived vulnerability. It was never about killing people.

What terrorist would ever think the Pentagon was an option? WTFU.

Ok, I'll bite, why wouldn't a terrorist think the Pentagon was an option?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Ok, I'll bite, why wouldn't a terrorist think the Pentagon was an option?

I'll take a stab at it... Because they are under the delusion that it's "The most secure building in the world" and they project that delusion onto the terrorists as well?

 

[twinstead]

It was about perceived vulnerability. It was never about killing people.

What terrorist would ever think the Pentagon was an option? WTFU.

I think it's amazing the lengths you will go to rationalize your fantasy.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I'll take a stab at it... Because they are under the delusion that it's "The most secure building in the world" and they project that delusion onto the terrorists as well?

I think it's amazing the lengths you will go to rationalize your fantasy.

I doubt if the Pentagon was less protected in 2001 than when I was working in NAVCOSSACT.

 

[alienentity]

If the Evil Neocons™ wanted to create the best pretense for war against Iraq, they could have done so with a fairly small conspiracy, something along these lines:

Assemble a team of Iraqi nationals to plant and explode a real WMD in NYC, killing thousands of civilians. Note: Planting explosives to bring down the WTC towers would not be very feasible due to complexity and security issues - previously a big bomb approach had been used and had failed to destroy a tower.
Once the Iraqi conspirators had been identified and probably executed in a raid, and the fabricated evidence had been broadcast by MSM, the invasion of Iraq would've been fairly easy to authorize via Congress.
Upon invasion of Iraq, some form of active WMD's would have been 'found', ie planted by US clandestine teams. Thus the invasion would've been justified on multiple levels, and the public would be none the wiser.

In reality, of course, none of this happened:

No Iraqis attacked America
No WMD's were used against America
No WMD's were 'found' in Iraq to justify the invasion

Every rational indication is that the US Gov was NOT involved in the 9/11 attacks, and that the collapse of the twin towers was not planned but was a coincidence - a success beyond the expectations of the real conspirators.

For 9/11 Truthers to continue to believe in the idea that the US plotted and carried out the attacks requires that the conspirators were at once:

Supremely powerful and astonishingly advanced in technology (never-before-seen weapons which leave no traces, and planted somehow without a single incidence of detection or suspicion)

Supremely incompetent, as they forgot they were trying to frame Iraq, and accidentally used Saudi conspirators, and with all their power, they also forgot to plant WMD's in Iraq!!

This is literally the story that truthers are trying to carry around in their heads, without realizing it, of course. Truthers appear to be the types of people who can carry around these kinds of gross contradictions without having them disturb their convictions. Most of us are forced to reject ideas that carry so many severe flaws and contradictions, unless we are considering them as fiction or fantasy. But that kind of suspension of disbelief is reserved for the enjoyment of Hollywood movies and other light entertainment - it should never be applied to real events, because it leads to true delusion.

 

[The Platypus]

What terrorist would ever think the Pentagon was an option?

You actually need to wonder and ask why the world known icon, the military command center, was a target option?

 

[sylvan8798]

I doubt if the Pentagon was less protected in 2001 than when I was working in NAVCOSSACT.

And at that time what would have happened to a hijacked commercial plane attempting to fly into the side of the Pentagon at 400+ mph?