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Banning Incandescent Light Bulbs?

ladmo said:
"bright light" should be quantified. Light is a lot more sophisticated than just a couple of words. I realize you did not make up the definition but clarity is helpful in understanding what the "author" is attempting to convey.
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True.


Some examples from experience:

  • Walking between two cop cars, each with their lights flashing
  • low and medium frequency jitter in pc screens in peripheral vision, not straight on

Bright, in either case, seems related to the overall amount of lighting in the area to which the eyes have adjusted.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Why would you need to do that?
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I think that he was expressing his surprise that CFL's are so cheap here in the U.S. He was saying that EVEN IF someone needed to replace 50 bulbs at once, the extra $75 wouldn't be prohibitive for most people. And he acknowledged that if bulbs were replaced over time (as they usually would be) upfront cost wouldn't be a factor at all for most people.

-Bri
 
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It's not too late. You too can stock up on bulbs.

Yes, you can have your own private stockpile too....just like we do.

Those big bad bulbs the politically correct Nanny Staters say you can't use....you too can have a closet full.

And they'll sell like hotcakes on Ebay.

So...join the club, stick the middle finger up at the liberal controller nutcases, and start having fun.

We know you want to...

;)
 
Miss Hemsley-Flint said the light from them is not good enough for her to read by and the flickering sets off her epilepsy.
So she has bought 1,100 old-style bulbs and is calling on the Government to scrap the ban.
From her home in Sittingbourne, Kent, Miss Hemsley-Flint said: 'I suffer from photosensitive epilepsy, which means I can't get near any screen or anything that flickers.
'I worked out that if I live as long as my aunts did - into their 90s - I would need about 30 years' worth of the old-style bulbs for each room.
'I have more than 1,000 now - in fact 1,100. It has cost me a small fortune but for me it's worth it and will see me through to the grave.'
The former teacher, who also suffers from migraines, estimates she needs about 20 bulbs at a time to light her £300,000 three-bedroom country cottage.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rest-life-following-EU-ban.html#ixzz1PdltjOjg

Join now while there's still time. You can have your own stockpile, and laugh at the sniveling cowards with their weird little noodle bulbs.

But wait... there's more!

If you live in the great (BROKE!!!) state of California, you know that your State has wasted 500,000,000 USD to subsidize CFLs for their consumers. You can get them and sell them on Ebay, to finance your stockpile of the bad boy bulbs!

http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-11-16/business/17269209_1_bulbs-fluorescent-california-utilities
 
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Yeah, government intrusion concerning inefficient light bulbs is a violation of our personal liberties. Government intrusion on women's uteruses is OK though.

-Bri
 
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mhaze said:
Hmm...

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-texas-bulb-bill-skirt-federal.html
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According to the article you linked to:

"As policymakers consider changes to current legislation, we hope they keep in mind that repeal of national standards would result in states establishing their own standards," said Kim Freeman, a spokeswoman for GE Appliances & Lighting. "That could create a patchwork of inconsistent standards across the nation that would mean increased manufacturing and distribution costs, higher prices for consumers and lost sales for retailers."​

-Bri
 
mhaze said:
Join now while there's still time. You can have your own stockpile, and laugh at the sniveling cowards with their weird little noodle bulbs.
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So why exactly are you so bent on stockpiling inefficient and nearly obsolete technology?

Are you selling lots of buggy whips these days too?
 
At the risk of resurrecting this thread...

From Politifact:

House to vote on light bulb bill today

The House today is scheduled to vote on the so-called "Save the Light Bulb" bill which seeks to halt new light bulb efficiency standards that will phase out the manufacture of traditional incandescent light bulbs.
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Alas, lest mhaze gets too excited, from the Christian Science Monitor:

House Republicans fail to save 30-cent light bulbs from extinction

A House bill to roll back energy-efficiency standards that would phase out cheap but inefficient incandescent light bulbs by next year fell short of the supermajority it needed to pass Tuesday.

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Because of the way the bill was brought to the floor of the House for a vote, the Barton measure needed a two-thirds majority to succeed. It fell short of that supermajority, 233 to 192. Five Democrats broke ranks to vote for the measure, while 10 Republicans voted against it. Going forward, the bulb-efficiency rollback idea could morph into a rider to a budget bill or other bargaining chip in debt negotiations, analysts say.
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-Bri
 
MRC_Hans said:
Yea, that's a problem that needs to be resolved. However, it is possible to build a recycle culture. In my neck of the woods we get fairly good recycle rates on most things. There is also some synergy: Once you collect newpapers, bottles, and batteries, and take those to the recycle centre regularly, it's no big deal to also bring the dead bulbs.

And, since they have a long service life, it's not that many; I have a dozen CFCs of various types in use in my house, and I get one or two burning out, per year.

Hans
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Yes!

All Hail the

Weeping Nanny State Controllers of the Liberal Variety....

Meanwhile in the real world...

Why has the hoarding of incandescent warmed up?

And what's up with Texas, except that big middle finger they pointing in an obscene gesture at the elite control freaks of Washington?

Oh, they've passed HR 2510, exempting bulbs made and sold in Texas from federal wacko regulation.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=82R&Bill=HB2510
 
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What's the fuzz about efficiency? Sure, those bulbs are "inefficient" when it comes to produce light. But they sure as hell are very efficient when it comes to create heat.

Just reintroduce them to the market as heaters. And yes, they are already doing that:

http://heatball.de/en/

We have the same situation here in Germany about banning inefficient light sources. What i am completely missing in that discussion is the overall efficiency and pollution statistics. Simple light bulbs are just that, very simple. But what about the costs and resources needed to actually produce CFL's and LED lights? All CFL's i know have an electronic ballast. Producing those parts isn't exactly environmentally friendly, especially given the fact that most of them come from China, where more often than not they just give a damn about proper handling of the waste.

Are there any studies about that? So far i haven't found any, but then, i didn't look that hard either.

Greetings,

Chris

P.S.: No, the Heatball thing is not satire!

ETA: And producing LED's also requires a lot of resources an technology. The LED bulbs i have seen so far also contain a lot of wiring, etc. I'm really interested to see how all that compares to simple bulbs in the long run. Hi-Tech waste is already becoming more and more of a problem due to all those electronic gadgets that people want and have, and which quite often get replaced at a rather high frequency.
 
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That's just reminded me to order some more incandescent bulbs to stockpile. I just like them. And anything that adds heat to my rooms during the hours of darkness is not wasted.

They're cheap, and I don't have to worry about how I dispose of them, and the quality of the light is pleasant. The only drawback is that they need to be replaced relatively frequently and that is hardly a chore.

And if I'm wrong, then the price of the stockpile of bulbs is hardly going to break the bank. At least it keeps my options open.

Rolfe.
 
I've replaced almost all of my lightbulbs with some kind of LED light, or at minimum, CFL's, and my power bill dropped........~$50 bucks a month. In just 5 months, it will have paid for all of the new bulbs.

But, I don't think we need to ban any kind of bulb. If anything, we should ban CFL's, since they are hazardous to our health, and pocketbook.
 
Rolfe said:
That's just reminded me to order some more incandescent bulbs to stockpile. I just like them. And anything that adds heat to my rooms during the hours of darkness is not wasted.

They're cheap, and I don't have to worry about how I dispose of them, and the quality of the light is pleasant. The only drawback is that they need to be replaced relatively frequently and that is hardly a chore.

And if I'm wrong, then the price of the stockpile of bulbs is hardly going to break the bank. At least it keeps my options open.

Rolfe.
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Incandescents last about 6 months in my Garage door opener. Fluorescents last about 180 days.
In the dining room light fixture, incandescent lights last bout 8 months. Fluorescent light last about 6-7 months.
Where the hell is my savings? Other than the fact the electric bill reduction does cover the cost difference--I got a lot of mercury floating around I have to get rid of...
 
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