John Stockwell, third world war, secret wars of the CIA

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stockwell
John R. Stockwell is a former CIA officer who became a critic of United States government policies after serving in the Agency for thirteen years serving seven tours of duty. After managing U.S. involvement in the Angolan Civil War as Chief of the Angola Task Force during its 1975 covert operations, he resigned and wrote In Search of Enemies, a book which remains the only detailed, insider's account of a major CIA "covert action."
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm

^ The above speech contains far too much specific data to be made up. He quite clearly was the person that he claims, and makes a lot of points that I've yet to see be refuted.

Has the CIA ever commented on his revelations? I can't seem to find any reason to discredit him.

One of his speeches:

 
I'm not sure how much of this is public fact, seemed like conspiracy material suitable for this forum.
 
Zeuzzz said:
Has the CIA ever commented on his revelations?
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Stockwell did his speaking tours in the 80s when there were still plenty of Cold War ideologues ready to rattle off the official history of Soviet subversion and US benevolence, so there wasn't any need for the CIA to comment directly.
 
Your point?
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His point is very obvious. Americans are given an upside-down version of what our government is doing. We do not defend freedom and democracy in the world. We install puppet governments in third world countries who let American companies steal their resources.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html
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The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that 6 million people had died by 1987 as a result of CIA covert operations, called an "American Holocaust" by former State Department official William Blum.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAeWqBQr1GA
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145531
 
The truth is out there, and it's found on the San Antonio Spurs fan forum. Like the savior being born in Judah's hill country, it's apt.
 
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Tell me a government that isn't giving its citizens an "upside down" version of what it is doing, FatFreddy. I hate to burst your bubble, but the US government isn't the only government on Earth that has a history of dirty deeds, and covering them up.

Grow some perspective
 
Tell me a government that isn't giving its citizens an "upside down" version of what it is doing, FatFreddy. I hate to burst your bubble, but the US government isn't the only government on Earth that has a history of dirty deeds, and covering them up.
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What did I say to make you think I thought that the US is the only place where the citizens are lied to by the government? You seem to think that this somehow justifies American imperialism. Do you think it does? Tell us your position on American imperialism.
 
What is the punishment if any for whistleblowers of classified information like him? By the looks of things they just try to ignore them.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
His point is very obvious. Americans are given an upside-down version of what our government is doing. We do not defend freedom and democracy in the world. We install puppet governments in third world countries who let American companies steal their resources.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html
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The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that 6 million people had died by 1987 as a result of CIA covert operations, called an "American Holocaust" by former State Department official William Blum.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAeWqBQr1GA
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145531
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A link to Alex Jones, i'm embarrassed for you.
 
Zeuzzz said:
What is the punishment if any for whistleblowers of classified information like him? By the looks of things they just try to ignore them.
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This is the CIA we're talking about, is there anything we don't know that they get up too.
 
Zeuzzz said:
What is the punishment if any for whistleblowers of classified information like him? By the looks of things they just try to ignore them.
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It seems to me that this might make an interesting data point by which to assess the frequent claim by conspiracy theorists that nobody dares blow the whistle on the conspiracy because they're afraid the government will kill them / make sure they never work again / cancel their pension benefits / get other academics to curl their lips at them at international conferences, or whatever else they claim. The only action against Stockwell seems to have been a lawsuit against him which the CIA eventually dropped.

Dave
 
Zeuzzz said:
What is the punishment if any for whistleblowers of classified information like him?
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There is a protocol for former CIA employees who want to write books, where the manuscript has to be reviewed and censored. Employees who don't follow the protocol can be enjoined from publishing. If they release information that puts contacts at risk, they can be prosecuted.

For example, in 1974 an employee in the CIA directorate wrote a book without submitting it for review. The government brought legal action and successfully censored more than 100 passages, many of them relating to operations in Chile.

See Gary WebbWP for another CIA exposure story with an unhappy ending.
 
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Zeuzzz said:
What is the punishment if any for whistleblowers of classified information like him? By the looks of things they just try to ignore them.
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Well obviously - unauthorized release of classified information is a crime. Since he hasn't been arrested, the assumption is it's either declassified or he's lying.
 
Robrob said:
Well obviously - unauthorized release of classified information is a crime.
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Well that sucks. Surely they have to prove in a court of law that the crime of releasing classified information is directly damaging to public safety in a major way? Or at least prove that they are obiding by human right laws if evidence is uncovered. Or are they totally above any sort of law in this regard?
 
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Surely they have to prove in a court of law that the crime of releasing classified information is directly damaging to public safety in a major way?
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The most that the government would have to prove, is that it really does classify documents according to a judgement of potential damage to national security, and not on some other basis.

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Or at least prove that they are obiding by human right laws if evidence is uncovered.
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US courts decide cases with reference to specific laws, not "human right laws" as an abstraction.
 
He's largely correct in general, but his pov is as biased as the cold warriors he indicts.

Nothing in Africa or in Central America was/is as clear-cut as he asserts.
 
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