JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

[I Ratant]

Oh,but in yourmy heart, youI know I'm right, LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa.

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Really, do pay attention.
Regurgitating other folks efforts in Twinkie land from many years ago is really ineffectual.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Oh,but in your heart, you know I'm right.

Actually, if you were right you wouldn't spend so much time avoiding questions. When I see someone ignoring rational questions, I "know in my heart" that they are filled with nothing but old socks and bullocks.

 

[Tomtomkent]

But not the official autopsy photos. The real ones.

And where is the evidence the available photos are not "real"?

 

[Tomtomkent]

Infallible? You don't look like the Pope to me.

But of course you could be mistaken.

 

[Tomtomkent]

It's called corroboration. Each witness is independently corroborated by 20 others. Get it? Nah.

Wow. So here's the thing. That also applies to Mr Z, who says he saw JFK shot from behind, and has a film. He is corroborated by other witnesses. And an autopsy.

So testemony that does not fit your narrative is flawed, despite corroboration, but the stuff you like is proven by it. Despite no material evidence varify it, and a wealth of material evidence supporting the conclusions of the WC?

Wow…

 

[Tomtomkent]

Oh,but in your heart, you know I'm right.

Wait... you aren't saying lots of people could have looked at something, said it indicated onething and been wrong are you? What if it was a big number like 20? Surely you would need material evidence to support a claim like that.

Now I wonder how that reflects on Parkland.

 

[Robert Prey]

Wait... you aren't saying lots of people could have looked at something, said it indicated onething and been wrong are you? What if it was a big number like 20? Surely you would need material evidence to support a claim like that.

Now I wonder how that reflects on Parkland.

Nonsense. The independent corroboration of 20 people is overwhelming evidence. The only other "evidence' would be the un-tampered original autopsy photos which are both tampered and classified.

 

[Robert Prey]

Wow. So here's the thing. That also applies to Mr Z, who says he saw JFK shot from behind, and has a film. He is corroborated by other witnesses. And an autopsy.

So testemony that does not fit your narrative is flawed, despite corroboration, but the stuff you like is proven by it. Despite no material evidence varify it, and a wealth of material evidence supporting the conclusions of the WC?

Wow…

Testimony that does not fit the observations of the Parkland witnesses is dubious. But I am not aware that Mr. Z had any special knowledge of where the shots came from other than the film he took which is consistent with a fatal shot from the front.

 

[Robert Prey]

And where is the evidence the available photos are not "real"?

The autopsy photgraphers already cited. Their assertions that autopsy photos in evidence are frauds.

 

[Robert Prey]

Actually, if you were right you wouldn't spend so much time avoiding questions. When I see someone ignoring rational questions, I "know in my heart" that they are filled with nothing but old socks and bullocks.

What questions? Name one. You still have a real problem with specificity.

 

[uke2se]

Infallible? You don't look like the Pope to me.

I'm not a video. Work on that reading comprehension, chump.

 

[TheRedWorm]

What questions? Name one. You still have a real problem with specificity.

I asked this one a couple of times, but you didn't even acknowledge the post. Please do so now.

I was thinking about it the other day, and came up with what I think (and please, correct me if I'm off, here) is a plausible chain of events behind each of the three shots:

Shot 1: LHO missed and couldn't find where his shot went (we can't know what he was aiming at, but given shot 3, we can assume JFK's head) so:

Shot 2: LHO aims roughly center of mass, pulls the trigger, and sees JFK react, but not slump as from a instantly mortal wound, so:

Shot 3: Since LHO knows roughly where he was aiming when he took shot 2, and also roughly where shot 2 struck, he takes a little more time to line up his shot, squeezes the trigger, and sees a very obvious mortal wound.

Can any conspiracy peddler do the same?

Can you give me a plausible action behind all the shots fired that day?

 

[Tomtomkent]

Nonsense. The independent corroboration of 20 people is overwhelming evidence. The only other "evidence' would be the un-tampered original autopsy photos which are both tampered and classified.

Feel free to prove that. With some materialevidence this time.

 

[Tomtomkent]

The autopsy photgraphers already cited. Their assertions that autopsy photos in evidence are frauds.

Ok lets see if we can figure out why an assertion is not evidence together.

You cite a photographer claims the photos are a fraud. The pathologist was happy to sign his name that the autopsy was kosher. Both are making assertions. What magical property makes the assertion you cite more correct?

Assertions are not testable, falsifiable, or material evidence. Especially if you can not prove your narritive in anyway more reliable than the. Counter.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Testimony that does not fit the observations of the Parkland witnesses is dubious. But I am not aware that Mr. Z had any special knowledge of where the shots came from other than the film he took which is consistent with a fatal shot from the front.

Why does the Zapruder film show the large gaping exit wound being created in the right front of Kennedy's head in contradiction to your claims? Fourbrick says there's a massive wound to the right front of Kennedy's head with ejecta blowing out.

Someone posted a video earlier showing the devastating effect of an exit wound as we see in the Zapruder film.

Take a look at about 5:30 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg and read this about entry and exit wounds: http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/entrance-and-exit-wounds.html

The video and that website support the shot coming from the rear. Did someone shoot Kennedy from the front after the end of the Zapruder video creating a wound in the back of his head that we don't see in the film?

If you've recovered sufficiently from your self-inflicted thumb and foot injuries, you should answer the questions, Robert. So far, you've not been able to support any CT delusions you've been parroting here.

 

[Walter Ego]

Welcome To Robert World

Nonsense. The independent corroboration of 20 people is overwhelming evidence. The only other "evidence' would be the un-tampered original autopsy photos which are both tampered and classified.

Another Stundie from Robert. The kid has a talent.

The original autopsy photos cannot be both untampered with and tampered with at the same time. And they are not classified either. Remember that JFK Records Act I mentioned earlier?

Or maybe the tampered with photos are unclassified and the untampered with photos are classified. It's hard to tell. Robert World is an odd place .

Testimony that does not fit the observations of the Parkland witnesses is dubious. But I am not aware that Mr. Z had any special knowledge of where the shots came from other than the film he took which is consistent with a fatal shot from the front.

Translation: Any physical evidence that doesn't fit with my conspiracy theory must be discarded or discounted. Ditto with witness testimony, except with witnesses I decided are "unimpeachable."

And "Mr. Z" certainly did have "special knowledge" of where the shots came from. He was right there in Dealey Plaza and Kennedy was shot directly in front of him. The Grassy Knoll was right behind him but he heard three shots coming from the direction of the TSBD and saw the front (not the rear) of the President's head explode.

The Z film is a real problem for Robert but he isn't taking the easy way out by claiming it has been faked, probably because that would put him out on the lunatic fringe with Uncle Jim Fetzer and the other extreme nutters. He just continues to deny that it shows what it does show... that there was no exit wound on the back of JFK's head. Such is the nature of reality in Robert World.

 

[Walter Ego]

Take a look at about 5:30 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg and read this about entry and exit wounds: http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/entrance-and-exit-wounds.html

Robert quoted that very same forensic website on entrance and exit wounds. He probably wishes he hadn't because the Zapruter film directly contradicts his claim about a shot from the front.

First the obvious but necessary explanation of entrance as versus exit wounds caused by a bullet.

From: Explore Forensics
http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/entrance-and-exit-wounds.html

Understanding Injuries > Entrance and Exit Wounds
Entrance and Exit Wounds
Author: Jack Claridge - Updated: 20 July 2010 | Comment
Entrance And Exit Wounds Gun Shot Bullet

"...The entrance wound is normally smaller and quite symmetrical in comparison to the exit wound..,."

"Exit wounds...are usually larger than the entrance wound and this is because as the round moves through the body of the victim it slows down and explodes within the tissue and surrounding muscle. This slowing down of the projectile means that as it reaches the end of its trajectory it has to force harder to push through. This equates to the exit wound normally looking larger and considerably more destructive than its pre-cursor - the entrance wound."

The highlighted text describes exactly what we see in the Z film. Robert, I note, has been seesawing between saying the film does show a shot to the front of the head and that it's a Rorschach test that shows whatever you want it to show... but then consistency is not his strong point (to put it mildly).

 

[RoboTimbo]

Robert quoted that very same forensic website on entrance and exit wounds. He probably wishes he hadn't because the Zapruter film directly contradicts his claim about a shot from the front.

I know. That's what makes it so funny.

The highlighted text describes exactly what we see in the Z film.

Robert has a large exit wound on the underside of his foot.

 

[RoboTimbo]

I think I may see why Robert has been such a failure at explaining the shot we see in the Zapruder film.

Robert, in this video at about 5:30 which direction do you think the bullet is coming from?

 

[Walter Ego]

Robert has a large exit wound on the underside of his foot.

Robert is the hands-down winner for the November edition of the prestigious Stundie Award but perhaps we should create a new Shot In The Foot With My Own Evidence Award in his honor.