Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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WildCat said:
How does OWS propose to create jobs? How do they propose to reduce corporate influence over government?
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Colour me surprised but this OWS guy actually has some coherent, workable solutions to getting the economy rolling:

 
portlandatheist said:
There are a lot of nasty comments by conservatives there, we're in agreement there. There are at least two other former occupiers commenting on that specific thread and there are others on some of the other Occupy news stories. Portland is a mostly liberal progressive city, not sure how much of a majority but a definite majority and I like many of the things they have accomplished here such as the MAX lines, Urban growth boundaries, etc. This movement does not paint our fine city if a good light
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So you lied, then, about there being many similar comments. Why did you need to do that?



theprestige said:
The word exists for a reason: it expresses a very real concept of retardation. You could, for example, say that the crowd in Zucotti Park seems to include a lot of people who are morally, ethically, and/or civically retarded.
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Shameless lies (via sophistry).

If you had a retarded child, would you feel comfortable insulting people by calling them retarded in your child's presence?


Stout said:
Big brouhaha at occupy Vancouver last night. Two cops sent to the hospital with human bite wounds. It would appear that the occupiers are going feral.
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Fallacy of composition.
 
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Washington post: As radicalism creeps in, credibility retreats from OWS.

On its tie-dyed surface, the OWS movement seems little more than a confused collection of grievances. Some in New York protest the Church of Scientology. In Philadelphia, protesters attempted to occupy the cable provider Comcast. In Boston, they marched against the Israeli consulate, chanting, “Long live the intifada!” Protesters also targeted the Harvard Club. One imagines tweedy pipe smokers looking up in alarm from the latest copy of the New Republic to see a tumbrel outside the window.

But there is some ideological coherence within OWS. Its collectivist people’s councils seem to have two main inspirations: socialism (often Marxist socialism) and anarchism. The two are sometimes in tension. They share, however, a belief that the capitalist system is a form of “institutionalized violence,” and that normal, democratic political methods, dominated by monied interests, are inadequate. Direct action is necessary to provoke the crisis that ignites the struggle that achieves the revolution.

And we are beginning to see what direct action means. Occupy DC protesters recently assaulted a conservative gathering, then took over a public intersection to prevent the passage of luxury cars. Blocking the path of one driver and his 2-year-old son, an activist shouted, “Sorry, but you have no power right now.” That is the opposite of participatory democracy — the use of power to intimidate a fellow citizen on a public street. It is the method of British soccer thugs.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ats-from-ows/2011/11/07/gIQA866IxM_story.html

I understand that some people sympathize with them based on one or two things they might have said. But at the end of the day, isn't it time to admit that they're a bunch of idiots that have caused a lot of harm for no tangible benefit?
 
WildCat said:
Got any about a jobs bill? This was one of your claims. Frankly, all you're doing is projecting your own grievances onto the OWS demonstrators and declaring them "the OWS demands".
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I just glanced the thread and found this to be a particularly good comment.

Randfan,
You do a great job defending the OWM. You linked a great article from Rolling Stone by Matt Taibbi. Great columnist and a very good article. I read another one of his recent columns. there is a video of him in a decent debate with some other dude on CNN. It's pretty good actually. But I kind of agreed with the other guy a bit more. And I think Matt kind of has a bit of the same problem I see with your defense and that is what is pointed out in the above quote. I really think that you and Matt are doing exactly what is quoted above.... projecting your own grievances onto the OWS demonstrators and declaring them "the OWS demands".

We have an occupy movement in Nova Scotia Canada.......... There is no Wall Street in Canada...... no housing crisis..... no bank bail outs. What the hell are they doing there? They don't bother me at all.... and hopefully they can come up with some reason to be there... but generally it looks pretty stupid.

With that said.... I'm kind of glad there is an OWS. I just hope someone like Matt Taibbi leads them.
 
Caper said:
I just glanced the thread and found this to be a particularly good comment.

Randfan,
You do a great job defending the OWM. You linked a great article from Rolling Stone by Matt Taibbi. Great columnist and a very good article. I read another one of his recent columns. there is a video of him in a decent debate with some other dude on CNN. It's pretty good actually. But I kind of agreed with the other guy a bit more. And I think Matt kind of has a bit of the same problem I see with your defense and that is what is pointed out in the above quote. I really think that you and Matt are doing exactly what is quoted above.... projecting your own grievances onto the OWS demonstrators and declaring them "the OWS demands".

We have an occupy movement in Nova Scotia Canada.......... There is no Wall Street in Canada...... no housing crisis..... no bank bail outs. What the hell are they doing there? They don't bother me at all.... and hopefully they can come up with some reason to be there... but generally it looks pretty stupid.

With that said.... I'm kind of glad there is an OWS. I just hope someone like Matt Taibbi leads them.
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The finance industry's parasitism has triggered a global meltdown.

'Canada's 75 Billion Dollar Bank Bailout'
 
JihadJane said:
The finance industry's parasitism has triggered a global meltdown.

'Canada's 75 Billion Dollar Bank Bailout'
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But you want that meltdown. You posted that crazed, raving article about how financial collapse is something to look forward to.

Which means that JihadJanes's issue with the bailout is not that it's a bailout per se, but that the bailout averted the total financial collapse which she wanted to happen. Why does she want the system to collapse? My guess is that she thinks it will usher in communism. Kind of like the Rapture but for people who don't believe in God.
 
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Brainster said:
The sacred fire gets doused in Vancouver:

Great entertainment here.
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:eek:

So now OWS stands for the right to start fires anywhere at any time. Time to break out the sacred pepper spray, the sacred tasers, and the sacred billy clubs.

eta: at ~10:15 some yahoo starts shouting that they're soveriegn citizens. So now Freemen on the Land is OWS!
 
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When Obamaville Oakland needed to stash its cash, where do you think they went?

This week, the group’s general assembly agreed — in a near-unanimous vote Monday — to temporarily place $20,000 of the group’s money in an account at the country’s fourth-largest bank holding company, Wells Fargo Bank.

Whether the decision was an abandonment of the movement’s opposition to big banks or an ominous affirmation of the hold that big banks have on Americans, Twitter was ablaze with outrage last night, as news spread about the 162-8 vote, from which 16 people abstained.
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But it's okay because:
According to meeting minutes posted on a Facebook page for the “Oakland General Assembly,” the group’s lawyer, Tim Fong, will temporarily keep a $20,000 donation from Occupy Wall Street in a Wells Fargo account, until he can finalize paperwork needed to open a credit union account for the group. The move is necessary to expedite the money’s availability for bailing out jailed protesters, the minutes said.
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Yep, they found Wells Fargo more flexible and willing to work with them than a credit union. As I did this year as well, when a credit union account I shared with my father was closed after his death, and they actually had the stones to charge me a $5.00 fee to cash their check.
 
Obamaville Portland must be located in a rough neighborhood, because crime is only up 18% over last year, despite these reports:

Tonight, Tuesday, November 8, 2011 at 9:10 p.m. Portland Police officers assigned to Central Precinct responded to a call of a Molotov Cocktail being set off at the World Trade Center, 121 Southwest Salmon.

Arson investigators have been called to the scene and as it is an active and ongoing investigation no additional details are available at this time.

On Monday October 31, 2011 Portland Police received unconfirmed information that a person or people within the Occupy Portland encampments at Chapman and Lownsdale Square Parks may be constructing or have constructed Molotov Cocktails.
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And:

Today, Tuesday November 8, 2011, Portland Police officers assigned to Central Precinct arrested 3 people and recovered another stolen bicycle at the Occupy Portland encampments.

57-year-old Steven Daniel Linn and 37-year-old Mayty Melinda Clevenger were arrested for Drinking in Public.

47-Richard-Allen Fuller was arrested for Criminal Mischief in the Second Degree after he damaged a marked Gresham police car by smashing out a window with a hammer. The patrol car was parked on Southwest 3rd Avenue, next to Chapman Square.
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And:
In each of the burglaries, the suspect or suspects removed the plate glass from a window to gain entry into the business.

On November 1, Performance Bicycles at 1736 Southwest Alder Street was burglarized.
On November 5, West End Bike at 1111 Southwest Stark Street was burglarized.
On November 6, Rack Attack at 1737 Southwest Morrison Street was burglarized.
On November 5, Integrated Health at 1435 Northwest Flanders Street was burglarized.
On November 8, U.S. Outdoor Store at 219 Southwest Broadway was burglarized.

Items stolen include bicycles and knives. On November 7, two bicycles stolen from Performance Bicycles and Rack Attack were recovered by Portland Police at the Occupy Portland encampments at Chapman and Lownsdale Squares. No arrests have been made in this case.
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That's just in the last two days.
 
More idiotic antics.



They certainly enjoy wasting civil servant's time and the taxpayer's money don't they?
 
Occupy Denver names its smartest member as its representative for discussions with the city mayor:

Denver Mayor Michael Hancock insisted that his city's occupation name a leader in order "to deal with City and State officials." And he got his wish! Occupy Denver has elected Shelby, a border collie, as its leader. Long live Shelby!
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The Animal Farm comparisons are getting more and more explicit.
 
Virus said:
More idiotic antics.



They certainly enjoy wasting civil servant's time and the taxpayer's money don't they?
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I love the way they chant "the whole world is watching", as if removing them for acting like asshats is the premier human rights issue of the day.
 
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