UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

[Tomtomkent]

So energy is the multiple of the square of the speed of light and mothers?

 

[ehcks]

Force is equal to the acceleration of yo mama.

 

[Tricky]

Good news/bad news for believers in extraterrestrial contact. The good news is, they forced the office of the President to make a statement.

The "We the People" feature on the White House website was launched in September. Visitors can create petitions and, if they get enough signatures, get their issues reviewed by staff and receive an official response.
The two petitions concerning aliens received thousands of digital signatures.
One started by the Paradigm Research Group has more than 12,000 signatures. It demanded that "the President of the United States to formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race and immediately release into the public domain all files from all agencies and military services relevant to this phenomenon."

The bad news is, this was the statement.

"The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet," he wrote on the official White House website, "or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race."

I'm certain this will silence the believers, right?

 

[John Albert]

Force is equal to the acceleration of yo mama.

*spit take*

No, really, I literally had to wipe coffee off my keyboard and monitor. Thanks for that!

"The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet," he wrote on the official White House website, "or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race."

I'm certain this will silence the believers, right?

This coming from an un-American Muslim socialist terrorist cult leader from Kenya who faked his own birth? Yeah right.

Can I get an "Amen"?

 

[Paul2]

Can I get an "Amen"?

I'll give you a "RAmen."

 

[jond]

Good news/bad news for believers in extraterrestrial contact. The good news is, they forced the office of the President to make a statement.


The bad news is, this was the statement.


I'm certain this will silence the believers, right?

Unless I'm mistaken, the Disclosure Project people were behind that, and this is indeed bad news. You see, the president was supposed to acknowledge the existence of the aliens, and the coverups, and all that. If not, then the aliens were going to come and attack us. By Jan 1st, if I'm remembering correctly. So, be on the lookout, there a comin'!

Of course, I'm also wondering what the reason will be for the lack of an alien invasion. Guess anyone?

 

[Stray Cat]

Of course, I'm also wondering what the reason will be for the lack of an alien invasion. Guess anyone?

The credit crunch.

 

[carlitos]

Fuel prices.

 

[Stray Cat]

 

[jond]

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That doesn't look like a blimp!

My guess: the good doctor (Greer) will save the day by negotiating for more time. But the next time will surely be it!!!

 

[ufology]

I think those studies have been taken seriously and the conclusion - from the investigators and the people on this board - is that UFO's remain, by definition, unidentified. Maybe you could show me in the reports where they conclude that such-and-such a UFO sighting is definitive evidence of alien craft/visitation? I'd be happy to read anything you have to present but obviously I'm not interested in going through all the files if there's nothing to find anyway.

Also, probability is useless if all you have are claims which, as I'm sure you're aware (or at least as has been pointed out), are not evidence in themselves.

ETA: A genuine question here: are you saying that the sheer volume of reports means that statistically speaking, one of them must be true?

Krikkiter,

You've moved the goalposts again. The point is that studies falsify the skeptic's null hypothesis by showing that the probability that all UFOs are of mundane origin is so low as to be virtually certain they are not. How we interpret that is a separate issue.

If UFOs aren't "mundane" then what are they? The word mundane has two primary meanings. The first is "ordinary or commonplace" and the second is "of this world". So clearly, we are dealing with phenomena that are extraordinary if not out of this world ... or simply put alien.

The word "alien" does not necessitate extraterrestrial. Simply being alien to human knowledge and civilization qualifies as alien. However the ET hypothesis seems more reasonable than secret bases no human has ever discovered.

Lastly, I've also said that statistical probabilities are not the same as material real-time proof. So I don't promote the statistical falsification of the skeptics null hypothesis as proof. However it does lend circumstantial evidence to the case for alien visitation.

 

[Stray Cat]

The point is that studies falsify the skeptic's null hypothesis by showing that the probability that all UFOs are of mundane origin is so low as to be virtually certain they are not. How we interpret that is a separate issue.

No, that study concluded;
"highly improbable that any of the reports of unidentified aerial objects represent observations of technological developments outside the range of present-day knowledge."

Leaving the ball still in your court to falsify the null hypothesis.

 

[Akhenaten]

Krikkiter,

You've moved the goalposts again. The point is that studies falsify the skeptic's null hypothesis by showing that the probability that all UFOs are of mundane origin is so low as to be virtually certain they are not. How we interpret that is a separate issue.

Have you given up on trying to define flying saucers into existence and started on seeing if you can manufacture them with statistics?

I'll bet it works out just as well for you.

If UFOs aren't "mundane" then what are they?

Nobody knows. This includes you.

The word mundane has two primary meanings. The first is "ordinary or commonplace" and the second is "of this world". So clearly, we are dealing with phenomena that are extraordinary if not out of this world ... or simply put alien.

Got some extraordinary evidence to back up this claim?

The word "alien" does not necessitate extraterrestrial. Simply being alien to human knowledge and civilization qualifies as alien. However the ET hypothesis seems more reasonable than secret bases no human has ever discovered.

So why did you bring it up? Trying to pretend that ufology involves critical thinking, are we?

Have you met Nimrod, my pet red herring, yet? I have a feeling you will before long.

Lastly, I've also said that statistical probabilities are not the same as material real-time proof. So I don't promote the statistical falsification of the skeptics null hypothesis as proof.

Even if you weren't still misusing the word 'proof' you'd still be wrong. This statistical falsification dreck that you've invented is nothing but meaningless waffle. You've falsified nothing.

And you really should stop this nonsense of calling it the skeptics' null hypothesis. It works exactly the same for everyone, be they cynics, skeptics or creduloids.

However it does lend circumstantial evidence to the case for alien visitation.

Drivel.

 

[Stray Cat]

That doesn't look like a blimp!

It's not, it's the mkIII cigar shaped UFO with portholes, distinguished from the mkI and mkII by it's ability to "fly as fast as a jet plane" whilst being observed by a single witness who watched it fly as fast as a jet plane for over 20 minutes as it flew past him in a straight line.

 

[Akhenaten]

Leaving the ball still in your court to falsify the null hypothesis.

He appears to have gone straight from a position of claiming that the null hypothesis has no meaning in terms of UFOs to claiming that he's falsified it already.

The lack of intervening steps is pretty breathtaking.


ETA: Come to think of it, this is the same sort of thought process that allows him to say "We dont know what alien space ships look like but if we did, this is how they'd look."

 

[Stray Cat]

He appears to have gone straight from a position of claiming that the null hypothesis has no meaning in terms of UFOs to claiming that he's falsified it already.

The lack of intervening steps is pretty breathtaking.


ETA: Come to think of it, this is the same sort of thought process that allows him to say "We dont know what alien space ships look like but if we did, this is how they'd look."

 

[Akhenaten]

Exactly.

 

[Daylightstar]

... no human has ever discovered.
...

Like aliens or alien craft.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Krikkiter,

You've moved the goalposts again. The point is that studies falsify the skeptic's null hypothesis by showing that the probability that all UFOs are of mundane origin is so low as to be virtually certain they are not. How we interpret that is a separate issue.

No, you've dishonestly misrepresented his position again. It has been shown that the goalposts are firmly planted in concrete. As Sagan so rightly said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." That has never changed. Why do you dishonestly say that it has?

Why do you call the J Randall Murphy null hypothesis which is:

"All UFOs are of mundane origin"​

the skeptics null hypothesis? Is it because you have no comprehension of it, even though you created it?

If UFOs aren't "mundane" then what are they? The word mundane has two primary meanings. The first is "ordinary or commonplace" and the second is "of this world". So clearly, we are dealing with phenomena that are extraordinary if not out of this world ... or simply put alien.

Until you falsify the J Randall Murphy null hypothesis, they are clearly all thought to be mundane. Simply put, you won't be able to simply declare them to exist.

The word "alien" does not necessitate extraterrestrial. Simply being alien to human knowledge and civilization qualifies as alien. However the ET hypothesis seems more reasonable than secret bases no human has ever discovered.

Well, no. Mundane seems more reasonable than your bunny rabbit delusions. You need to falsify the J Randall Murphy null hypothesis first.

Lastly, I've also said that statistical probabilities are not the same as material real-time proof. So I don't promote the statistical falsification of the skeptics null hypothesis as proof. However it does lend circumstantial evidence to the case for alien visitation.

I hope you weren't thinking that anyone was going to take the word of a hoaxer. Here's the proof of the J Randall Murphy UFO ( firefly ) Hoax:

Multiple independent witnesses who claim the same thing about the J Randall Murphy UFO ( firefly ) Hoax.

Corroborating evidence in the form of the hoaxer's own posts on this forum. The details of the hoax have changed over time in response to the criticisms about the internal consistency of the "story". Researchers to this day have never found any non-mundane explanation for the "story".

Researchers have used a process of elimination and eliminated all non-mundane explanations leaving only HOAX.

Can you find any fault with this UFOlogic?

 

[Agatha]

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131.9? Bargainous! Take me to your leader fuel station.