Herman Cain leads by 20 points!

JudeBrando said:
Do you recall the midterms a year ago and almost every other election since? Do you think they've all suddenly changed their mind?
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The dynamics of a presidential election are completely different from midterm congressional elections. Gingrich is a polarizing figure with high negatives, loads of personal baggage lots of baggage and zero appeal to the center. Cain is hopelessly out of his depth. A Gingrich/Cain ticket would be a guaranteed loser. Romney is the Rs' only hope and I fully expect him to be the nominee.
 
JudeBrando said:
Do you recall the midterms a year ago and almost every other election since? Do you think they've all suddenly changed their mind?
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Yes. I also remember when Congress swung Republican during Bill Clinton's first term. All the Republicans assumed Bill was dead meat in his re-election campaign. You might want to hold off on buying those balloons.
 
JudeBrando said:
Cain is the Democratic nightmare.
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Is Perry also the Democratic nightmare or does only Mr. Cain hold that title?

You do realize that many, many Republicans view Mr. Cain as a nightmare as well, don't you?
 
Ladewig said:
Non-rhetorical question: Why is Cain the Democratic nightmare?
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It appears that a lot of Republicans seem to think that blacks are so very prejudiced that they will immediately vote for a black candidate regardless of his views. So they think that by running a black conservative they can trick those dumb negroes into voting for a party that would be detrimental to the concerns of most black Americans. And maybe there would be a few that do this. But in this fantasy scenario of theirs, they completely ignore the equal or larger number of dumb caucasions who would vote against a black man, regardless of his political views.
 
Tricky said:
It appears that a lot of Republicans seem to think that blacks are so very prejudiced that they will immediately vote for a black candidate regardless of his views. So they think that by running a black conservative they can trick those dumb Negroes into voting for a party that would be detrimental to the concerns of most black Americans. And maybe there would be a few that do this. But in this fantasy scenario of theirs, they completely ignore the equal or larger number of dumb Caucasians who would vote against a black man, regardless of his political views.
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That might very well be true, but I don't want to accuse JudeBrando of that kind of thinking without any evidence whatsoever.

JudeBrando, can you explain why you think Mr. Cain is the Democratic nightmare?
 
Cain is the best orator of the Republican candidates, and he has a positive can-do attitude.

He is an actual American black, whose parents worked hard and were poor.

There are negatives in his 999 plan, but at least he's got a plan, something that could be discussed and worked over.
 
Tricky said:
It appears that a lot of Republicans seem to think that blacks are so very prejudiced that they will immediately vote for a black candidate regardless of his views. So they think that by running a black conservative they can trick those dumb negroes into voting for a party that would be detrimental to the concerns of most black Americans. And maybe there would be a few that do this. But in this fantasy scenario of theirs, they completely ignore the equal or larger number of dumb caucasions who would vote against a black man, regardless of his political views.
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Tricky, you need to chill a bit and stop imputing motives.

Cain's ran his own campaign and stood on his own two feet. There are no big back room power brokers fronting him. There's no reason to project the condescending "dumb" and no reason to focus on skin color here.

Oh, and by the way, I mostly associate during the day with right wing conservatives. I've simply not heard .... in the real world? .... any attitudes that reflect those you claim exist.

You headed for a True Scotsman down that path of thinking.

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NotJesus said:
....Gingrich is a polarizing figure with high negatives, loads of personal baggage lots of baggage and zero appeal to the center. ....
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Go ahead, find negatives.

The fact is that Gingrich has showed far more intellectual depth and issue comprehension than any of the other candidates in the debates.

What is interesting is that Cain and Gingrich (and also Ron Paul and Bachman) are running on "transformative agendas". You could say that Romney was running on a platform of "fix the system from the inside".

Clearly, the people voted for a candidate running for a "transformative agenda" once before.

Obama.

Now they regret it.

What do they do?
 
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mhaze said:
Cain is the best orator of the Republican candidates, and he has a positive can-do attitude.

He is an actual American black, whose parents worked hard and were poor.

There are negatives in his 999 plan, but at least he's got a plan, something that could be discussed and worked over.
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"negatives in his 999 plan" is like saying "Prohibition had some minor issues".

You can discuss all you want, but the only feasible "work over" for the 999 plan is abandonment.
 
Given a choice between a black man who has made other black people proud and one who tells them that they are unemployed because they are not working hard enough or smart enough, I think those black people who have been paying attention will stay with Obama.

Most of them know that they have no common interests with the Koch roaches with whom pizza dude is so proud to claim kinship.

I think Cain would lose black votes for the GOP just for being so nasty.
 
Ladewig said:
Am I missing something here? Don't all the 2011 Republican candidates have a positive, can-do attitude?
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My choice of words may have been poor. I'm thinking about who as President could possibly motivate the US population to get back on track with a positive, can-do attitude. Particularly say in business affairs, who can instill confidence in the future, such that a business man would hire people and create jobs?

Romney does not do this for me or anybody else I know. I have no doubt he's a good administrator. He actually has an outstanding record in business, look it up.

Cain is the one that seems to have this ability.




Ladewig said:
Wait, what?
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Yeah, sure. "Actual American black" is pretty self explanatory.

I seem to recall you are from outside the US though so I'll try to explain - of course liberals will be all over this, but it's just facts.

Obama is half black, his dad wasn't an American but Kenyan. His childhood and teenage years were outside the US. In the US, his environment was largely in and around colleges until he became a "community organizer". Obama can and does "self identify" as an American black. In the US, one can identify as "a black" if he or she is some nominal percentage - I think it is 1/20 part currently.

Cain has American black parents, knows intimately the inner city and slum issues and the history of American racial relations. Briefly, he's lived it. He grew up with "colored bathrooms" and other segregated facilities, and he's watched first hand the entire transformation of race relations in the USA.

It'd be flat hilarious to see Cain and Obama standing off for the POTUS.
 
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Spindrift said:
"negatives in his 999 plan" is like saying "Prohibition had some minor issues".

You can discuss all you want, but the only feasible "work over" for the 999 plan is abandonment.
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I have no problem with that, AFTER a determination to toss the entire existing tax code.

Then let the discussions begin about the form, fashion and timing of the replacement.
 
mhaze said:
Yeah, sure. "Actual American black" is pretty self explanatory.

I seem to recall you are from outside the US though so I'll try to explain - of course liberals will be all over this, but it's just facts.

Obama is half black, his dad wasn't an American but Kenyan. His childhood and teenage years were outside the US. In the US, his environment was largely in and around colleges until he became a "community organizer". Obama can and does "self identify" as an American black. In the US, one can identify as "a black" if he or she is some nominal percentage - I think it is 1/20 part currently.

Cain has American black parents, knows intimately the inner city and slum issues and the history of American racial relations. Briefly, he's lived it. He grew up with "colored bathrooms" and other segregated facilities, and he's watched first hand the entire transformation of race relations in the USA.

It'd be flat hilarious to see Cain and Obama standing off for the POTUS. NO TRUE SCOTSMEN!
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ftfy
 
mhaze said:
My choice of words may have been poor. I'm thinking about who as President could possibly motivate the US population to get back on track with a positive, can-do attitude. Particularly say in business affairs, who can instill confidence in the future, such that a business man would hire people and create jobs?

Romney does not do this for me or anybody else I know. I have no doubt he's a good administrator. He actually has an outstanding record in business, look it up.

Cain is the one that seems to have this ability.
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I'll agree that from my liberal perspective, Romney does not have the qualities you describe, but it seems to me that Perry is quite proud of his ability to motivate and create jobs. Are you suggesting he is more "hat" than "cattle"?






Yeah, sure. "Actual American black" is pretty self explanatory.
I seem to recall you are from outside the US though so I'll try to explain - of course liberals will be all over this, but it's just facts.
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Nope, born and raised in America (as were both my parents (one of my grandparents and all of my great grandparents were from the old country - I hope that doesn't make me less of an actual American)).

Obama is half black, his dad wasn't an American but Kenyan. His childhood and teenage years were outside the US. In the US, his environment was largely in and around colleges until he became a "community organizer". Obama can and does "self identify" as an American black. In the US, one can identify as "a black" if he or she is some nominal percentage - I think it is 1/20 part currently.
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I've never heard of that but that topic is probably best saved for another thread.

Cain has American black parents, knows intimately the inner city and slum issues and the history of American racial relations. Briefly, he's lived it. He grew up with "colored bathrooms" and other segregated facilities, and he's watched first hand the entire transformation of race relations in the USA.

It'd be flat hilarious to see Cain and Obama standing off for the POTUS.
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I think I see but I am not sure. Are you saying that President Obama is not an "Actual Black American"?
 
mhaze said:
...In the US, one can identify as "a black" if he or she is some nominal percentage - I think it is 1/20 part currently...
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I'm out of the loop.

This must be part of the new ANSI guidelines for blackness, B99.
 
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