UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

[ufology]

Someone has to counter your anti-reality propaganda. Your insistence that anecdotes = evidence. Your redifinition of terms to suit your fancy. Your recalicitrance in accepting the fallibility of perception and memory.

Resume,

The reality is that the vast majority of verbal usage and portrayals of the word UFO ( in its entirety ) are meant to convey the idea of an alien craft, usually extraterrestrial. So it's not I who is failing to recognize this fact in face of the overwhelming obviousness of it.

 

[Akhenaten]

GeeMack,

You speak of bias and then splash yours all over the place. First you incorrectly call ufology a pseudoscience when you have no rationale for doing so other than to slap some derogatory name on it.

Oh garbage, ufology.

We had a bloody great thread on the subject that left no doubt whatsoever on the status of ufology as pseudoscience.

Trying to pretend that none of that happened and claiming that a single poster is falsely labelling your silly hobby is ludicrous. Who in the name of fortune do you think you're fooling?

Then you go on to misrepresent the usage and definition of the word UFO the same as you always do.

Drivel. You're the only one here who thinks UFO = "OMG . . . aliens!".

Again, do you really think anyone is going to be fooled by your pretense that GeeMack's is the lone voice decrying your nonsensical attempts at redefinition?

Puh-lease!

So here's yet another quote from USAF archives as to what the word "unidentified" in the context of official UFO investigations means:

<snip>

The special pleading that has failed so dismally before isn't suddenly going to start working for you now, you know. It beggars belief that you'd think it would.

So, nobody here including me has claimed that the "U" in UFO means identified as an alien craft.

No, but you've tried to claim that UFO isn't really an acronym, and that therefore what the individual letters stand for is irrelevant.

You're just about to do it again.

I have however claimed that the vast majority of verbal usage and portrayals of the word UFO ( in its entirety ) are meant to convey the idea of an alien craft, a fact that is blatantly self evident.

The only thing that's blatantly self-evident is your inability to see how much of an embarrassment your repetition ad nauseum of the same failed claims actually is.

Skeptics who fail to see this reality are merely projecting their anti-ufology propoganda.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Resume,

The reality is that the vast majority of verbal usage and portrayals of the word UFO ( in its entirety ) are meant to convey the idea of an alien craft, usually extraterrestrial. So it's not I who is failing to recognize this fact in face of the overwhelming obviousness of it.

The above poster is continuing to be dishonest in misrepresenting what the term UFO means. The above poster knows that UFO means Unidentified Flying Object but that definition doesn't allow him to pretend to believe in his fantasy.

 

[Resume]

So it's not I who is failing to recognize this fact in face of the overwhelming obviousness of it.

There are any number of things you overwhelmingly fail to grasp.

It starts with the mating habits of fireflies. Or maybe the absurdity of talking rabbits.

 

[Akhenaten]

Resume,

The reality is that the vast majority of verbal usage and portrayals of the word UFO ( in its entirety ) are meant to convey the idea of an alien craft, usually extraterrestrial.

Only your subjective reality, Mr Fology. Thank Hathor the rest of us are safe and warm out here in the objective reality.

So it's not I who is failing to recognize this fact in face of the overwhelming obviousness of it.

What you're recognising, and quite rightly pointing out that other people aren't recognising, isn't a fact, folo.

It's just your own private view of the world as you want it to be, where you're speshul. It's a delusion.

 

[ufology]

I use a quote from USAF archives to support my position and the skeptics counter with the usual cute graphics, mockery and proclamations. It's so predictable. I also find it amusing that when I use quotes from the same source as the people who created the word UFO in the first place it's called "special pleading", as if that somehow makes it invalid. By that logic if we define chemicals the way chemists do that's also invalid. There is no end to the self-serving hypocrisy of the skeptics on this forum.

 

[Toke]

Here is an example of everyday use of the term UFO in Danish.

Sommersquash - Mandelgræskar - Patisson - Ufo

It is in reference to the popular superstition of flying saucers and is not to be taken as plant nurseries being more into aliens than others.

 

[Resume]

I use a quote from USAF archives to support my position and the skeptics counter with the usual cute graphics, mockery and proclamations. It's so predictable. I also find it amusing that when I use quotes from the same source as the people who created the word UFO in the first place it's called "special pleading", as if that somehow makes it invalid. By that logic if we define chemicals the way chemists do that's also invalid. There is no end to the self-serving hypocrisy of the skeptics on this forum.

Unidentified Flying Object.

Those are the words you seem to have trouble with. So I can understand your further trouble with words like anecdote and evidence. And firefly.

 

[Toke]

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By that logic if we define chemicals the elements the way chemists alchemists do that's also invalid. There is no end to the self-serving hypocrisy of the skeptics on this forum.

Fixed.

 

[RoboTimbo]

I use a quote from USAF archives

It is good of you to admit that you're dishonestly cherry picking an outdated and superseded definition to support your delusion.

 

[ufology]

Fixed.

The above shows just how far the skeptics here will go ... crossing out the words of another person's quote and substituting their own without giving any reference to the original point of discussion, yet believing somehow they have "fixed" something.

 

[mike3]

I'm curious about this whole UFO "definition" debate. I found this:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unidentified+flying+object

1. A flying or apparently flying object of an unknown nature, especially one suspected to have been sent by extraterrestrial beings.
2. A flying saucer.

(underlining mine)

So from that, it seems that while you can't necessarily wholesale equate "UFO = alien craft", you can't necessarily dismiss that usage, either. Any comments?

 

[GeeMack]

GeeMack,

You speak of bias and then splash yours all over the place.

I have no bias regarding UFOs. I accept that there are things which are perceived to be flying and which are unidentified, in many cases unidentifiable. I accept that aliens may exist, and that some of the unidentified flying things seen over the millennia may even be alien craft. The only thing that stands between my current position on the issue and actually accepting as truth the claim that some UFOs are alien craft is objective evidence. In all of history none has been presented.

I'm open minded as all get out, a position which is diametrically opposite that of the truly biased and closed minded, those who believe UFOs, by nature of the fact that they haven't been or can't be identified as some particular thing, must therefore be alien craft. Those people are biased. I'm not. Unless you want to dishonestly redefine the term "bias", as you have so many other words and phrases, to suit your preconceived belief that some UFOs are alien craft.

First you incorrectly call ufology a pseudoscience when you have no rationale for doing so other than to slap some derogatory name on it.

"Ufology" is a quintessential example of pseudoscience, definitively. That has been demonstrated in discussions right here on this forum, demonstrated to the satisfaction of all but the most adamantly faithful, the "ufologists" themselves. Pretty much everyone who understands there is a correlation between reality and truth recognizes that. Those who consider reality and truth to be separate, unrelated concepts, may not understand it of course. But then their opinion on either reality or truth is unfounded.

Then you go on to misrepresent the usage and definition of the word UFO the same as you always do. So here's yet another quote from USAF archives as to what the word "unidentified" in the context of official UFO investigations means:

"A sighting is considered unidentified when a report apparently contains all pertinent data necessary to suggest a valid hypothesis concerning the cause or explanation of the report but the description of the object or its motion cannot be correlated with any known object or phenomena."​

The term UFO means unidentified flying object, something perceived to be an object and perceived to be flying, but which has not been identified as any particular thing. The persistent effort to redefine the term to suit the agenda of the alien believers is transparently dishonest. It failed as an argument the first time it was tried, it has failed 100% of the time since, and it will continue to fail in every single future attempt. It would require abject willful ignorance to believe otherwise.

So, nobody here including me has claimed that the "U" in UFO means identified as an alien craft.

Given the several dozen times in this thread where you have tried to make the equivocation between UFOs and alien craft with your "UFO ( alien craft )" nonsense, the comment above is demonstrably, and apparently intentionally untrue.

I have however claimed that the vast majority of verbal usage and portrayals of the word UFO ( in its entirety ) are meant to convey the idea of an alien craft, a fact that is blatantly self evident.

And your claim has been shown to be false. Over and over again. With solid, objective supporting evidence. Unless, of course, "self evident" is another term you're trying to dishonestly redefine in order to support your preconceived belief that some UFOs are alien craft.

Skeptics who fail to see this reality are merely projecting their anti-ufology propoganda.

There is no conspiracy against "ufology". "Ufologists" are not being persecuted by the critical thinkers of the world. And the skeptics are not to blame for the absolute failure of the "ufologists" to demonstrate their claim that some UFOs are alien craft. The skeptics here have made a concerted effort to be helpful and cooperative. They have described the simple null hypothesis that you've created with your claim. And they've made a valiant attempt to help you understand the logical fallacies that you offer in lieu of rational arguments and objective evidence. The only people in this discussion who have failed to see something are the "ufologists" themselves.

 

[AdMan]

Resume,

The reality is that the vast majority of verbal usage and portrayals of the word UFO ( in its entirety ) are meant to convey the idea of an alien craft, usually extraterrestrial. So it's not I who is failing to recognize this fact in face of the overwhelming obviousness of it.

This is amazing. It really is like a broken record.

You have convinced no one to accept your personal definitions, not even your fellow UFO nuts. Hundreds of posts repeating the same nonsense haven't convinced one person to accept your position.

What do you hope to accomplish? You just keep painting yourself as increasingly, stubbornly irrational. Do you really not see that?

 

[ehcks]

So from that, it seems that while you can't necessarily wholesale equate "UFO = alien craft", you can't necessarily dismiss that usage, either. Any comments?

If you claim that a UFO is an alien spacecraft, then you're claiming it's not unidentified anymore. You're saying you identified it.

 

[Paul2]

I use a quote from USAF archives to support my position and the skeptics counter with the usual cute graphics, mockery and proclamations. It's so predictable.

After nearly fifteen- freaking un-bloody-believable no-god-in-the-highest-no-heaven -thousand posts, we better be predictable, whether we are right or wrong.

 

[Stray Cat]

Why is it even an issue that ridiculousness is often ridiculed?

 

[Resume]

I'm curious about this whole UFO "definition" debate. I found this:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unidentified+flying+object



(underlining mine)

So from that, it seems that while you can't necessarily wholesale equate "UFO = alien craft", you can't necessarily dismiss that usage, either. Any comments?

What kind of definition does freedictionary have for unidentified? It must really differ from the ones with which I'm acquainted.

 

[Akhenaten]

I use a quote from USAF archives to support my position and the skeptics counter with the usual cute graphics, mockery and proclamations.

You'd think that word - archives - would tip you off to the mistake you're making, even if you hadn't been told a thousand times.

It would be pretty sad if you still just didn't get it, but it's much worse that you obviously do get it but choose to carry on regardless.

It's so predictable.

Well of course it is. And yet here you are, doing the same thing over and over again, each time expecting a different result. There's a word for that, you know.

I also find it amusing that when I use quotes from the same source as the people who created the word UFO in the first place it's called "special pleading", as if that somehow makes it invalid.

There's no 'as if' about it. You are indulging in special pleading and it does invalidate your argument.

By that logic if we define chemicals the way chemists do that's also invalid.

Toke's response to this was succinct and elegant. Your rejoinder was foot-stampingly childish.

NAGL, Mr Fology.

There is no end to the self-serving hypocrisy of the skeptics on this forum.

Sounds awful..

Are you claiming that the skeptics are actually aware that the skies are teeming with aliens but pretending otherwise purely in pursuit of some nefarious hidden agenda?

Did a giant talking rabbit tell you this, by any chance?

 

[ufology]

It is good of you to admit that you're dishonestly cherry picking an outdated and superseded definition to support your delusion.

RoboTimbo,

There is nothing irrelevant about the quote I picked regardless of its age or other definitions. It's one of many supporting definitions found in the history and evolution of the term UFO. You just choose to ignore the fact that the word UFO is meant to convey the idea of an alien craft, usually of extraterrestrial origin and used synonymousyly with phrases like "flying saucer" ... also believed to be craft of alien origin. I don't know why you even bother to deny it anymore. It must have something to do with the entertainment value. To avoid breaking with tradition here are another couple of quotes:

UFO ( Oxford English Dictionary )

An unidentified flying object; a ‘flying saucer’.

Flying Saucer: ( Encarta Dictionary )

disk-shaped UFO: a disk-shaped flying object believed to be an extraterrestrial spacecraft.