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Indeed! Saggy cannot provide ONE credible witness to the Zionist hoax machine!!
 
We requested the name of ONE credible witness to the Ziohoaxamatic from Saggy. One witness from one person equals one witness total. We don't have the name of that witness.

The reason that Saggy cannot name one credible witnessto the Zionist hoax machine is that there is no such witness. Instead he produces an idiotic list that contains names like the directors of Yad Vashem, the USHMM, the ADL, B'nai Brith.

If Saggy will produce the name of this non-existent witness, we will proceed to demolish his/her 'testimony'. Until then, we will continue to point out that Saggy cannot name one credible witness to the Zionist hoax machine
 
Saggy said:
I'm not interested in a list of names, or a name supplied by one of the usual nitwits, instead I'm requesting a name of a single credible Jewish witness to the holohoax to be supplied by Nick Terry, who is conceded by all to be a holohoax 'scholar'.

And, while Nick Terry can write apparently endlessly about the obscure antics of the Zionists during WW II, he cannot supply the name of a single credible Jewish witness to the holohoax.
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Ah, the goal posts move. The name must be nominated by Nick Terry. LOL. What a joke. Well, you all flopped embarrassingly on Strawczynski and Schloss. Why do you think you'd fare better with a Nick Terry (tm) name? And you still don't get it, you don't see where "one name," no matter who offers it, inevitably leads . . . You are hilarious, I guess.
 
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MG1962 said:
Best to just walk away and just not bother. The three remaining posters will soon grow tired of talking to themselves and move on to greener pastures
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I just don't see why this website should be an outlet for their open hatred of Jews. As there seems to be nothing to discuss, and as they can't give an argument for their stupid beliefs, I think the rational thing to do is to lock the thread until they come up with an argument that hasn't already been debunked and isn't a logical fallacy, but an actual bonafied argument backed by a proper interpretation of evidence. Until such a time, this thread serves no purpose other than allow the Jew haters an outlet for their hatred and an (albeit minuscule) opportunity to infect others with their disgusting beliefs.
 
uke2se said:
I just don't see why this website should be an outlet for their open hatred of Jews. As there seems to be nothing to discuss, and as they can't give an argument for their stupid beliefs, I think the rational thing to do is to lock the thread until they come up with an argument that hasn't already been debunked and isn't a logical fallacy, but an actual bonafied argument backed by a proper interpretation of evidence. Until such a time, this thread serves no purpose other than allow the Jew haters an outlet for their hatred and an (albeit minuscule) opportunity to infect others with their disgusting beliefs.
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I don't disagree with anything you say, however I've never heard of the mods or admin locking a thread just cause. Any lurkers who might be following this debate I would argue have been gone for at least 50 pages.

There's no debate, there's no moving forward. This thread has been like a bad twilight zone episode for at least a 100 pages
 
Corsair 115 said:
And while Saggy can write apparently endlessly about the fantastical worldwide Jewish conspiracy which controls the media, academia, and everything else, he cannot supply the name of a single credible witness to this fantastical conspiracy.
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To which he replies, not with any witnesses to his claimed international conspiracy but with a random list of supposed conspirators' names without a shred of proof verifying his claims.

Saggy said:
Nonsense. Here is a whole list of names of conspirators, once you get past the directors of Yad Vashem, the USHMM, the ADL, B'nai Brith, etc., .....

http://www.intjewishlawyers.org/main/files/program4web.jpg

Let me recommend the above link to the moderators, as it exemplifies the Jewish efforts to eliminate discussion of the holohoax from the internet.
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Saggy, if English isn't your second language then I can't think of any other reason you have (consistently) confused "witness" with "conspirator."
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LemmyCaution said:
Ah, the goal posts move. The name must be nominated by Nick Terry. LOL. What a joke. Well, you all flopped embarrassingly on Strawczynski and Schloss. Why do you think you'd fare better with a Nick Terry (tm) name? And you still don't get it, you don't see where "one name," no matter who offers it, inevitably leads . . . You are hilarious, I guess.
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Liar one

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/survivor/strawczynski .html


and liar two
Pesye Schloss

Amazing. Two testimonies shown, just days ago, to be fabrications and utter nonsense fabrications at that.


Now they are cited as if they weren't the same old liars like Simon and Elie.
 
Wroclaw said:
Indeed! Saggy cannot provide ONE credible witness to the Zionist hoax machine!!
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Which means Saggy himself is a degenerate liar, by his own criteria! (Is it wrong of me to feel a certain amount of joy when saying the phrase Saggy is a degenerate liar?)
 
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uke2se said:
I just don't see why this website should be an outlet for their open hatred of Jews. As there seems to be nothing to discuss, and as they can't give an argument for their stupid beliefs, I think the rational thing to do is to lock the thread until they come up with an argument that hasn't already been debunked and isn't a logical fallacy, but an actual bonafied argument backed by a proper interpretation of evidence. Until such a time, this thread serves no purpose other than allow the Jew haters an outlet for their hatred and an (albeit minuscule) opportunity to infect others with their disgusting beliefs.
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Closing down the discussion of Holocaust denial would end up being a victory for them, since places like CODOH could crow about 'censorship'.

However, what is transpiring on this thread is a trainwreck disaster for them since it is patently obvious that the deniers cannot sustain a serious argument and are generally unable to discuss the subject coherently.

Much the same thing has happened over the years at Skeptics Society Forum, where instead of three to six deniers there has been more or less just one denier trying gamely to keep the belief system afloat. He has his own playpen there, an entire sub-forum, whereas here it's only one thread.

The combined efforts of not more than five self-styled 'revisionists' have thus totally discredited 'revisionism' on two separate forums. They're not joined by new faces very often, unlike the way that JFK conspiranuts pop up from time to time and then vanish. They aren't riding a wave, or drawing on anything bigger than a set of decrepit internet memes peddled by websites that don't actually have that many readers.

Proceeding from the fact that there have been fewer than 10 deniers on here in the last four to five years, and that they're down essentially to three people, I would suggest we shift the focus of the discussion:

Holocaust denial is for all intents and purposes dead. Proof: this thread.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Use the thread search for each name.
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No, you claimed that both Strawczynski and Schloss are liars, you tell us (1) what they lied about, (2) how they lied, and (3) how you know they lied. Summarize the case against each.

And recall that just a few pages back you reduced Schloss's testimony to this idiocy you concocted, "Wait. She said a guard observed she was not dead, took her shoes then shot her in the foot. You need more than that?" and misread this "the soldier noticed she was alive" to be a "a guard . . . found someone that he thought was dead"! A guard? LOL. Thought was dead - when the testimony said he noticed she was alive? And that is all you have?
 
LSSBB said:
And as I said before, your insistence on a single witness isolated from all the other witnesses is little more than a marketing ploy, and a means for you to pick each off one my one and ignore the net effect of the mass of witnesses.
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I think their argument goes something like this. Saggy asked for the name of one Jewish witness to the Holocaust who was not a degenerate liar. He was given a number of names greater than one. Nick Terry provided, for example, 200 names of Jewish witnesses for discussion. Nick Terry is a "holohoax scholar." His inability to provide just one name - and his ability to provide and be willing to discuss 200 different witnesses - proves therefore that all Jewish witnesses are liars of a degenerate type and that the Zionists have hoaxed all their claims. If Nick Terry were as ignorant as Saggy and Clayton and Dogzilla, and able to manage only one name at a time, the hoax would be worth discussing. But he has 200 names, which proves the Zionists are liars.

And if this doesn't convince you, bear in mind that people just don't ever do cruel things, genocide has never happened, and also the Moscow Forgery Factory fabricates evidence. See?
 
Nick Terry said:
Closing down the discussion of Holocaust denial would end up being a victory for them . . .
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Conversely, giving them the opportunity to strut their stuff pays huge dividends. It may not make for the best reading, but time and again they demonstrate their ignorance of the basic history, their incapacity for argument and explanation, and their deep-seated prejudices.
 
LemmyCaution said:
If Nick Terry were as ignorant as Saggy and Clayton and Dogzilla, and able to manage only one name at a time, the hoax would be worth discussing. But he has 200 names, which proves the Zionists are liars.
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To paraphrase Stalin: One Holocaust witness is a credible source; two hundred Holocaust witnesses is just a statistic.


Dave
 
A question for the Holocaust deniers:

Johann Kremer, the SS doctor said when he first visited Auschwitz:

""For the first time being at a "Sonderaktion" at three a.m. Comparing to what's going on here, the Dante's Inferno is almost a comedy. Auschwitz is not for nothing called camp of extermination." (This is from his own journal that he kept).

So even an SS doctor admits its an extermination camp.... He was there, but he is less reliable than all of you besserwissers that spends several hundred pages in a thread to argue it was "merely labour camps" :roll:

Dieter Wisliceny member of the Nazi SS, and a key executioner in the final phase of the Holocaust also made a strong distinction between the forced labour camps, and the death camps (Vernichtungslager):

" He was asked to name the extermination camps, and he identified Auschwitz and Majdanek as such. Then, when asked "How do you classify the camps Mauthausen, Dachau, and Buchenwald?" he replied, "They were normal concentration camps, from the point of view of the department of Eichmann."

About 760 Norwegian jews ended up in camps (most of them in Auschwitz), of those only 25 came back. The survivors all witnessed about the gass chambers (only called "the pipe" by the survivors), most of them lost family members, seeing them marched away, never to be seen again again.
Where do you deniers think these old, children, women and weak went? Club Med?

So if the jews that survived the camps are not reliable sources, SS personell are not reliable sources, then who are??
 
Saggy said:
Nonsense. Here is a whole list of names of conspirators, once you get past the directors of Yad Vashem, the USHMM, the ADL, B'nai Brith, etc., .....

http://www.intjewishlawyers.org/main/files/program4web.jpg

Let me recommend the above link to the moderators, as it exemplifies the Jewish efforts to eliminate discussion of the holohoax from the internet.
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Looked at your link - not sure how you figure that this conference exemplifies anything other than a special interest group looking at various aspects of an issue of importance to them. Notice that none of the sessions are about "How to suppress discussion" or "Appropriate punishments for questioning the Holocaust".

Your mileage may vary, as you see the spidery hands of the Elders closing around the neck of your "brave" kamraden.
 
Clayton, you do realize that just calling someone a liar doesn't make them one - they actually have to be lying about something.

Back at post #7053 I asked you to actually live up to your claim to be a revisionist. Use evidence to debunk these witnesses, if that is your intent.

If this was a court case the perponderance of evidence supporting the Holocaust would be sufficient for a conviction in a criminal court (proof beyond a reasonable doubt, in case you were unclear on the appropriate standard). Whereas you and the rest of your denier cohorts "cross-examinination" of the witnesses by going "they are just lying" without ANY counter evidence would not be considered a rebuttal at all. So, you can understand why we have little to no respect for any assertion you may make.
 
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