Warring No planer factions- Shansksville and Pentagon no-planers vs WTC no planers

[ElMondoHummus]

Look, guys, if he keeps on trying to push his, er... viewpoint (in reality, just an insincere trolling to wind people up, but anyway...), just repost the following. Or heck, just do the links. But this is one guy for whom interaction's not going to accomplish squat.

After reading on, part of me has trouble believing that this guy is really serious; these "arguments" he's forwarded just don't seem to have any real heart behind them.

That said, just to go through the motions: Purported video anomalies - or in this truther's case, flawed interpretations of what's been recorded - don't overcome the mass of the existent evidence.

• Live witnesses to the tragedy: http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheysaw:eyewitnessaccountsofthenycai. And as had been pointed out, the isolating of photojournalist David Handschuh's quotes from the requisite context is deliberate distortion.
• There is direct radar data on the jetliners: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/index.htm. Link is to the NTSB flight path studies, which are combinations of secondary radar data plus what was gleaned from the flight data recorders that were recovered. For further information, forum poster BCR has raw radar data, and has combed over it extensively.
• There are the calls from the doomed jets passengers: Link 1 (FOIA pdf of "calls and other data"), Link 2 (More FOIA PDFs), Link 3 (Moussaoui trial exhibits), Link 4 (A Flash presentation of the calls. Don't worry, it says "Flight 93", but it displays data for all of the flights).
• There is the recovered debris.
• There is the forensic identification of victims remains (as a side note, the book "Who They Were: Inside the World Trade Center DNA Story: The Unprecedented Effort to Identify the Missing" is a fascinating read. It's a little bit off topic here, I admit, given that it concentrates on the Towers victims and not the jetliners, but it's fascinating reading nonetheless).
• There is recovered debris from the jets: http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/aircraftpartsnyc911.

... and so on. Misrepresentation of low resolution videos is no refutation of conclusions built from all of that.

Anyway, *yawn*... Lemme know if this guy says anything original. This is all stuff spun from a combination of Ace Baker's and Jammonius's delusions, and as such, is stuff that doesn't really require all that much effort.

Like I said, folks: He doesn't merit serious effort. A few smileys and a "cool story, bro", perhaps, but not honest effort. Not for something that I'm not convinced he truly believes in to begin with.

 

[NoahFence]

Your invisible authority is your willingness to deny visual facts, kiddo.LOL How do you explain that NO plane was visible in 4 live clips?

I explain that by saying that you need help if you really believe that.

You people who insist on defending nonsense cannot debate facts and will not, especially when the truth is really found out, like in this case. With government theories you really NEED to pick something besides the most well documented event in US History that showed no plane in the live footage. I could Mock you clowns all day long with no challenge.

Disregard the footage.

What about the thousands of people ON THE GROUND in Manhattan, Shanksville and DC who saw with their own eyes? NOT on TV?

As far as mocking us, have at it. You're the one who needs help, and you're the one who needs US. All we have to do is click ignore. Without us, you have no audience, no reason for being.

Ta ta clown.

 

[KDLarsen]

Stop using low resolution multiple generation copy of long range filming, and it might even be possible to discern what you're looking at.

I take it you've asked Mr. Covington for permission to redistribute his picture of N612UA? Not to mention Mr. Watson's picture of N289SH? If not, I'll be happy to contact them and help them rectify the situation.

 

[The Platypus]

You don't know the difference between your and you're. That's what you condescending pricks would do to me. Millions of people would believe Greer shot jfk and get that nervous smile when HEARING the reptiles in the media call an orb a 767. Getting that to happen is an epic feat for sure. Certainly millions would remain in denial but millions would see how they were clearly fooled.

YIKES!!! I hope that wasn't intended to help boost your credibility.

People that are 'simply telling the truth', do not act like that when you don't instantly believe their every word without question. Quite the contrary this is what dishonest agenda driven people do.

Especially considering, this is the internet for **** sakes. Unlike 911 kooks, i don't base my entire reality, worldview or my opinion on anything, on what some joe shmoe said on the internet. Nor do i base it solely on what the MSM, or the gov't says. Reality is not a case of either i believe you or i am in league with your enemy boogieman, that's one of the major games played by cults and religions.

You kids make yourselves look stupid with that media / gov't believer accusation because in the real adult world i never met, seen or even heard of anyone that doesn't have some gripes, beefs and mistrusts of the the media and the gov't, infact most people also mistrust bozos like you on the internet.

That's why I think cults only makes this accusation out of guilt to cover the fact that is obvious to everyone outside the cult, it is you has believed idiots and charlatans without question, after all, it is you that is in the cult. It's just like the cheater that accuses their partner of cheating all the time.

 

[7forever]

Honest people that are simply trying to tell the truth, don't act like you do. But cult minions trying to peddle lies always act like you do.

And i've seen your lies and games countless times before.

That alone leads me to believe your are not simply telling the truth.

Dishonest people that are simply trying to cover up the truth act like you do. But cult truthers trying to expose that truth always act like I do.

And i've seen your lies and games countless times before.

That alone proves you have no defense against video proof and won't defend the official myth of commercial jets being flown by dumb arabs.

 

[The Platypus]

Puleeeeeeeeeze. You never saw the WB11 plane morph and definitely never saw the proof that the orb was coming northwest, the opposite direction of the official flight myth. You kooks do the same thing...NOTHING. You simply claim some invisible authority and never challenge proof that exposes your willful ignorance of government nonsense.

Is this supposed to make me change what i see and believe you instead? Because it actually makes me believe you even less.

 

[7forever]

Stop using low resolution multiple generation copy of long range filming, and it might even be possible to discern what you're looking at.

I take it you've asked Mr. Covington for permission to redistribute his picture of N612UA? Not to mention Mr. Watson's picture of N289SH? If not, I'll be happy to contact them and help them rectify the situation.

Start using the same footage I'm using and will post that no plane was visible in the live footage.

 

[The Platypus]

Dishonest people that are simply trying to cover up the truth act like you do. But cult truthers trying to expose that truth always act like I do.

And i've seen your lies and games countless times before.

That alone proves you have no defense against video proof and won't defend the official myth of commercial jets being flown by dumb arabs.

This is not the tactics of someone honest and telling the truth. Focus, your the one that came here to convince us... remember...

 

[7forever]

Is this supposed to make me change what i see and believe you instead? Because it actually makes me believe you even less.

Saying you see a plane when it's obviously not, is something that you'd never do in real life...like putting your face on video making those simple falsehoods. The media did it because they had to or would have ceased to exist in their professions, but they would never under oath call the orb a plane with an opposition pointing out that it's a ufo.

 

[7forever]

This is not the tactics of someone honest and telling the truth. Focus, your the one that came here to convince us... remember...

I proved my point beyond challenge or refute. I am not warring with anyone, just posting footage that provided an orb coming northwest with no plane in the area.

 

[7forever]

I explain that by saying that you need help if you really believe that.



Disregard the footage.

What about the thousands of people ON THE GROUND in Manhattan, Shanksville and DC who saw with their own eyes? NOT on TV?

As far as mocking us, have at it. You're the one who needs help, and you're the one who needs US. All we have to do is click ignore. Without us, you have no audience, no reason for being.

Ta ta clown.

Eyewitness accounts are always debunked by video footage. You lose and yes mocking liars and dodgers is easy and in order when four or five trolls simply do not put forth a challenge. Show me one case where eyewitnesses have debunked video footage.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

There is no video of jets crashing near Shanksville and into the Pentagon, while there's tons of it for jets crashing into the wtc's.

Perhaps seeing video makes it real for some of the slightly less deranged twoofers. tens of thousands likely saw and or heard the second plane hit the WTC and perhaps a hundred million plus saw it live on tv. Perhaps denying their own eyes is just one step their sanity cannot make.
They can pretend to themselves there were no other planes because no visible wreckage of what looks like parts of a plane (tail fin etc) was shown in the TV shots so they can remain in denial.

Twoofers are to one degree or another just plain nuts. Its important to remember that during discussions with them. They simply do not have the same ground rules for reality. Reality is what they "know" it to be, not something arrived at by rational thought and the scientific method.
We often accuse them of lying, I've done it myself, but they are not really lying in the same sense sane people lie. They really do believe what they are saying is true in the same way as the religious are convinced that what they believe is real even when it can show to demonstrably false. The think tricks are being played on them by the devil or debunkers so have no reason to change what they believe. For them reality is the delusion.

 

[The Platypus]

Saying you see a plane when it's obviously not is something that you would never do in real life...like putting your face on video making those simple falsehoods. The media did it because they had to or would have ceased to exist in their professions, but they would never under oath call the orb a plane.

You say alot of crazy things and back up nothing. I don't know you, you are just some guy online that came here with the ridiculous story, with no proof, and immature dishonest taunts and tactics for whoever doesn't play along.

I have absolutely no reason to believe a word you say, and you have shown many reasons that I shouldn't believe you...

 

[tsig]

When one does look at the absurdity of planes impacting the towers, it's not hard at all to see that the government side is crazy, inconsistent and a blatant dishonest fantasy.

What's so absurd about planes hitting the towers?

 

[tsig]

I'm not warring with any no planers like ace baker, morgan reynolds, simon shack, or richard hall. I am simply telling the truth about obvious facts stemming from available news footage. They are disinfo or refuse to finish it and accept that a very small ufo was seen in live footage. I don't care about that nonsense. It is what it was and is...a very small orb.

I thought the MSM was in on it?

 

[The Platypus]

I thought the MSM was in on it?

good catch, I love it when they trip on that one and they always do... LOL

On one hand "the media is in on it, the media does nothing but lie", and then, "look the media said here"...

Contradiction is a common trait in liars.

 

[NoahFence]

Eyewitness accounts are always debunked by video footage. You lose and yes mocking liars and dodgers is easy and in order when four or five trolls simply do not put forth a challenge. Show me one case where eyewitnesses have debunked video footage.

One case?

9/11.

Move on. Really. You're not doing yourself any favors.

 

[NoahFence]

We often accuse them of lying, I've done it myself, but they are not really lying in the same sense sane people lie.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There are plenty of examples of outright, knowing lying by some of our resident twoofers.

 

[tsig]

lol the foarce is strong with this one...

..ftfy

 

[7forever]

40 thousand millions of blah.