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When do conspiracy theories jump the shark?

Nick Terry

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This won't please the conspiracy minded, but it is a simple fact that literally none of the various conspiracy theories touted in this forum or the one next door have made the slightest genuine headway in the real world (not least because they're all howlingly, screamingly wrong).

The rejection of 9/11 Truth, Moon Hoaxing, Holocaust Denial, Birtherism, JFK theories and NWO/Illuminati theories is essentially unanimous in all relevant parts of the adult world - the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government, in every single country in the world (except maybe Iran); all scientific and investigative agencies; academia and universities; and virtually all of the media.

It should be perfectly obvious to everyone that these theories are never going to make any headway; that if they ever had a chance then that moment has long passed. Time moves on, and we find ourselves 10 years from 9/11, nearly 50 years from the JFK assassination, et cetera. Some of the theories arguably never even had a 'moment' when they were even vaguely fashionable. Some did, but the unifying characteristic of all of the above mentioned CTs is surely that they have now all jumped the shark.

Not only that, but if we think of the 90s and Noughties as a heyday for modern conspiracism, then surely that era is now passe, and so easily parodied/ridiculed that we now have Conspiracy Fatigue. Conspiracy theories in general may have jumped the shark.

Yeah, we know: belief in a certain set of conspiracies is now typical of a few subsets of retarded American youths and middle-aged losers, who have cut themselves off from the mainstream. But they're never ever ever going to make any headway in the mainstream, and now appear to be little different to their granddaddies' generation when cranks mailed each other pamphlets and newspaper clippings.

Yeah, we know: there is a seemingly inexhaustible supply of stupid out there, but stupid is as stupid does. And the one thing all the major theories share in common is that they're mind-numbingly, epically stupid.

So stupid that they don't notice they're backing the ideas equivalents of 8-track tapes, or might as well be touting MC Hammer as cutting-edge pop music for all that they have noticed that they're not actually riding the wave of the future.
 
Nick, I can't think of a single CT within the last 40 years that was correct. That said, I think you are underestimating how pervasive they are overseas, as evinced by occasional polls and the pervasiveness of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in the Middle East, despite it being long outed as a hoax.
 
I don't think the point is to get their agenda pushed forward. Being a CT'er gives you one area in your life where you're better then everyone else because you have the secret knowledge. If life isn't turning out as you planned and you're not measuring up to your peers in terms of money or relationships creating or joining a mythical world is probably very appealing.
 
I don't think the point is to get their agenda pushed forward. Being a CT'er gives you one area in your life where you're better then everyone else because you have the secret knowledge. If life isn't turning out as you planned and you're not measuring up to your peers in terms of money or relationships creating or joining a mythical world is probably very appealing.

Yeah, that's why I think its kind of like a form of Science Fantasy for the adherents.
 
When do they jump the shark? - when to make them viable they need a macro-conspiracy that involves ten's of thousands of people to be 'in on it'....and rather a dull public that cannot see it...
 
I think they jump the shark when all the theory's critics are "in on it" or it requires the complete subversion of all known physics, chemistry or biology.
 
I don't think the point is to get their agenda pushed forward. Being a CT'er gives you one area in your life where you're better then everyone else because you have the secret knowledge. If life isn't turning out as you planned and you're not measuring up to your peers in terms of money or relationships creating or joining a mythical world is probably very appealing.

All true, and much discussed on here as well as in the academic literature, eg Barkun defining CTs as 'stigmatised knowledge'.

But the sense of superiority derived from secret knowledge is entirely illusionary, since embracing a CT in public, even on the internet from behind the safety of a nym, rapidly gets the CT labelled as a retard. And correctly labelled.
 
Yeah, that's why I think its kind of like a form of Science Fantasy for the adherents.

They are both forms of getting away from reality but most people who are devotees of SciFi/Fantasy can escape into a movie, novel or game for a while and come back and function in the real world. I'm not sure a CT can just escape into their conspiracies now and again. Many can clearly suppress their views so as to function with the rest of us but they're always CT's.
 
They are both forms of getting away from reality but most people who are devotees of SciFi/Fantasy can escape into a movie, novel or game for a while and come back and function in the real world. I'm not sure a CT can just escape into their conspiracies now and again. Many can clearly suppress their views so as to function with the rest of us but they're always CT's.

SciFi/Fantasy fans take a vacation from reality.

CTers suffer from the delusion that they can emigrate from it.
 
I think conspiracy theories jump the shark when they are presented with facts and evidence that falsify all or part of the theory and the conspiracy theory is unable to correct for, address or incorporate the new facts and evidence without becoming illogical or too complex to hide.
 
A CT jumps the shark when it garners sufficient public attention to justify mainstream science reaching out with its little finger and flicking it into oblivion. It happens so regularly and predictably, you could probably write a mathematical formula for it.
 
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At least a few should evaporate on their own, E.G. once we return to the Moon the whole "Moon Landing was a Hoax" CT should die out.
 
At least a few should evaporate on their own, E.G. once we return to the Moon the whole "Moon Landing was a Hoax" CT should die out.

Fat chance, the LRO pictures didn't so much as make the CT's flinch. They will either claim the new missions are fake or that they put the Apollo hardware there recently for the new missions to see.
 
When their proponents go from advancing/fleshing out/defending their theory to downright trolling.

See also: Most of the pro-conspiracy posters on JREF.
 

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