Merged New video! Architects and Engineers - Solving the Mystery of Building 7

[Miragememories]

"Grizzly Bear, I believe you present all valid points. He still, in my opinion, needs to explain why not being able to find column 79 in the rubble justifies discrediting NIST, especially when there is no physical evidence of the alternate hypothesis of controlled demolition, and in light of the amount of non-physical evidence used by NIST to build their case."

"He intentionally avoids any direct insinuation of controlled demolition to maintain the facade that he's a genuine skeptic. In fact, he's never revealed any "theory" other than he believes the NIST is a falsehood, there was no plane at the pentagon or Shankseville, and that he thinks Larry Silverstein committed insurance fraud on a massive scale. And in three years I've seen him argue, he's offered zero rationalization for any of those positions.

Maybe the saying: "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" applies to what he's doing to a certain extent? No idea..."

When this mutual admiration society finishes back slapping, maybe you might explain to the world how this relates to the OP?

MM

 

[NoahFence]

"Solving the mystery of Building 7"

 

[Miragememories]

Supposedly WTC 7 was a "government command post" destroyed for the sake of removing evidence of their plans... of what, and how they got the idea it'd work better than a paper shredder, I've no clue. I don't think it's ever been speculated clearly what, if any connection to the allegedly insider plan to blow up the other WTC towers it was supposed to have...

If you are going to go on misrepresentation mission at least use some facts Grizzly Bear.

WTC7, on its 23rd floor, housed an Emergency Command Center for the City of New York that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had built in the mid-1990’s.

Carry on.

MM

 

[beachnut]

When this mutual admiration society finishes back slapping, maybe you might explain to the world how this relates to the OP?

MM

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... you are on topic because you have no evidence for your idiotic claims, and your posts are all on topic since they are filled will all your evidence to support all your claims, or support 1500 morons on 911 in the video you can't support. Breaking Watergate earned a Pulitzer in a year, 911 truth and you can't do more than whine about their failure, like this post. At least the post is packed with all the evidence 911 truth has produced in 10 years, which equals the evidence 911 truth will find given forever.

The idiotic video has the old "melted steel" nonsense. Nonsense backed by 1600 lazy dolts on 911 issues. Too lazy to earn a Pulitzer, proves they have the same evidence you have. The empty set, more math for the failed nuts Gage got to sign a petition of do nothing, make up lies, collect money.

 

[Miragememories]

Amusing, then, to find he was banned at the old Loose Change forum in 2007. source

I'd risk a decent bet it wasn't the only Truther forum where he was banned. I wonder if putting "killtown banned" in Google might offer a clue?

That just proves that even 9/11 Truth Forums have integrity when it comes to rules enforcement.

It does not mean that all of Killtown's posts were considered to ne instantly null and void.

9/11 is a very emotional issue and sometimes people get carried away.

This thread is about WTC7 which most current posters appear to be attempting to de-rail.

WTC7 is the "smoking gun" of 9/11 and thus generates the strongest emotional response from those with enough clarity of vision to see that it was far more than a big building playing dropsy from unfought fires.

MM

 

[NoahFence]

If you are going to go on misrepresentation mission at least use some facts Grizzly Bear.

WTC7, on its 23rd floor, housed an Emergency Command Center for the City of New York that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had built in the mid-1990’s.Carry on.

MM

The italic portion is what's actually there. Congrats for that much.

The twoofer version though, is what Grizzly Bear was referring to. I think in your haste to misrepresent what Grizzly actualy said you flubbed. It's ok though. Happens to the best of us.

 

[NoahFence]

WTC7 is the "smoking gun" of 9/11 and thus generates the strongest emotional response from those with enough clarity of vision to see that it was far more than a big building playing dropsy from unfought fires.

WHY?

Why is WTC 7 the smoking gun, and not the Greek Orthodox church? Why not WTC 6? Were these other buildings not damaged beyond repair, just like WTC 7? Or does the spectacular nature of the ultimate demise of the building make it the smoking gun?

No, MM. The smoking gun is this:

Among many, many other pieces of evidence. These are the clues you people ignore. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. That's on you. Not us. YOU ignore the evidence.

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Just as an aside, I'd like to actually see you respond to those questions in a timely manner, instead of ignoring them as is the typical method of discussion with truthers.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Nobody with good sense suffers much from the exiling of a doofus who thinks he can measure the size or distance of a cloud from a single photograph with no referrence points behind the cloud.

Killtown did that [...]

Wasn't he also the one that pointed out the devil's face and "911" in the smoke pouring out of the towers, as if that had some sort of meaning?

He's been called on this before (from memory) WRT the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster. He accepts that it was destroyed on re-entry, even though the exact panel with the foam damage was never recovered.

By me, no less (amongst others), and nearly three years ago.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

maybe you might explain to the world how this relates to the OP?
MM

Deals with evidence standards which unlike with you, red's been way less forthcoming on answers regarding the direction it places him in. Red will only say he wants to see a thermally expanded floor members, which is an absolute sequitor... What constitutes "thermally expanded"? For god sakes man, it's a basic property of materials... what the heck else is he looking for in "thermally expanded"?? Ask him anything and he'll play with the words till the cows come home and never be specific... and yes, this is pertinent if he's getting involved in a WTC 7 topic, he gives it the same treatment...

If you are going to go on misrepresentation mission at least use some facts Grizzly Bear.

WTC7, on its 23rd floor, housed an Emergency Command Center for the City of New York that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had built in the mid-1990’s.

Carry on.

MM

While I appreciate you're clarification, the act of destroying the evidence that is supposed to link them to the alleged WTC demolishion still could have been accomplished with either a simple paper shredder or a good Gutmann level file deletion tool on the computer. Considering they're supposed to be insanely skilled at planting bombs inside towers while in use without a single witness WTC 7 makes them dumber than bricks. I guess the conspiracy demands both at the same time...

 

[ozeco41]

WTC 7 was the smoking gun because it gave the truth movement an opportunity to recycle all the nonsense about CD.

Recall that with the Twin Towers collapses most of the collapse mechanisms could be viewed from outside the building. The collapse of both towers involved about 6 stages of which three were the stages where CD could plausibly have been inserted. Those three being:
1) Pre cutting of core columns to assist initiation of collapse;
2) CD assistance in the actual impact and fire damage zone to trigger the initial collapse; AND
3) During the global collapse.

There were multiple reasons why CD could be discounted. One main factor being that any CD at those three critical stages would have left visible evidence at the time and re viewable by video clip after the event. (Plus a welter of other evidence we need not consider here.) There was no evidence of CD so the CD claims were doomed to failure from the outset. Sure the CT's who became truthers made a lot of noise but there was never a coherent claim for CD at the Twin Towers. And a large part of that was because the Twin Towers collapses were examinable from outside. Little could be hidden.

Along comes WTC7 and all the collapse mechanisms were internal, hidden from view. The truthers thought that all their birthdays had come at once. "We can now make any ridiculous claims we want the poor debunkers don't have visible evidence to rebut us." "It's Christmas"

Then throw in the Jones ploy at "rebuilding" his market image. S E Jones, losing "market share" to Gage, needs something to revitalise his presence. So he picks on thermite as his new "brand image". Then morphed that into "nano-thermite" together with all its self contradictory magic properties. Super silent, no bright light, explosive nano thermite hidden inside WTC7 - what more does the desperate truther need?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Think carefully before asking questions. Is the steel from the WTC 7?

Why do you think it matters? Do you really imagine that among all the unidentifiable mangled steel they could have pulled out one bent column and said "here is the part that failed and started the whole progressive collapse."?

 

[LSSBB]

When this mutual admiration society finishes back slapping, maybe you might explain to the world how this relates to the OP?

MM

That would be column 79.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

When this mutual admiration society finishes back slapping, maybe you might explain to the world how this relates to the OP?

MM

Seeing as there is no "mystery of building 7", how are any of your posts "on topic"

Big building fall on smaller building, smaller building damaged and set on fire, building burns for 7 hours and falls down exactly as predicted the firefighters at the scene. So unless the FDNY are guilty of covering up the murders of hundreds of their family, friends and colleagues where is there any mystery other than the fairly esoteric matter about what in the design of the building caused the failure and is this something we can learn from?

 

[Miragememories]

Seeing as there is no "mystery of building 7", how are any of your posts "on topic"

Big building fall on smaller building, smaller building damaged and set on fire, building burns for 7 hours and falls down exactly as predicted the firefighters at the scene. So unless the FDNY are guilty of covering up the murders of hundreds of their family, friends and colleagues where is there any mystery other than the fairly esoteric matter about what in the design of the building caused the failure and is this something we can learn from?

Straight out of the Grimm's Book of Fairy Tales, like most of what you have to say.

Lets try a more honest description.

WTC1 suffers a fountain-like collapse, and drops a few inconsequential pieces on WTC7, a building roughly half its size.

The technically unexpected collapse of the Twin Towers cost the lives of hundreds of the firefighter's comrades, but they remain on the job, but in a state of bewilderment and shock.

The fear spreads that the collapse of any burning WTC building is now possible, and that WTC7 could very well suffer the same fate.

Their supervisors strongly encourage this fear.

Several floors in WTC7 developed fires which are unfought and migrate for roughly 7 hours.

At 5:20 p.m. a successful controlled demolition of WTC7 occurs.

At 5:21 p.m. the Official Story stooges at JREF begin sharpening their pencils.

MM

 

[Clayton Moore]

Straight out of the Grimm's Book of Fairy Tales, like most of what you have to say.

Lets try a more honest description.

WTC1 suffers a fountain-like collapse, and drops a few inconsequential pieces on WTC7, a building roughly half its size.

The technically unexpected collapse of the Twin Towers cost the lives of hundreds of the firefighter's comrades, but they remain on the job, but in a state of bewilderment and shock.

The fear spreads that the collapse of any burning WTC building is now possible, and that WTC7 could very well suffer the same fate.

Their supervisors strongly encourage this fear.

Several floors in WTC7 developed fires which are unfought and migrate for roughly 7 hours.

At 5:20 p.m. a successful controlled demolition of WTC7 occurs.

At 5:21 p.m. the Official Story stooges at JREF begin sharpening their pencils.

MM

Exactly

 

[Clayton Moore]

WTC 7 was the smoking gun because it gave the truth movement an opportunity to recycle all the nonsense about CD.

Recall that with the Twin Towers collapses most of the collapse mechanisms could be viewed from outside the building. The collapse of both towers involved about 6 stages of which three were the stages where CD could plausibly have been inserted. Those three being:
1) Pre cutting of core columns to assist initiation of collapse;
2) CD assistance in the actual impact and fire damage zone to trigger the initial collapse; AND
3) During the global collapse.

There were multiple reasons why CD could be discounted. One main factor being that any CD at those three critical stages would have left visible evidence at the time and re viewable by video clip after the event. (Plus a welter of other evidence we need not consider here.) There was no evidence of CD so the CD claims were doomed to failure from the outset. Sure the CT's who became truthers made a lot of noise but there was never a coherent claim for CD at the Twin Towers. And a large part of that was because the Twin Towers collapses were examinable from outside. Little could be hidden.

Along comes WTC7 and all the collapse mechanisms were internal, hidden from view. The truthers thought that all their birthdays had come at once. "We can now make any ridiculous claims we want the poor debunkers don't have visible evidence to rebut us." "It's Christmas"

Then throw in the Jones ploy at "rebuilding" his market image. S E Jones, losing "market share" to Gage, needs something to revitalise his presence. So he picks on thermite as his new "brand image". Then morphed that into "nano-thermite" together with all its self contradictory magic properties. Super silent, no bright light, explosive nano thermite hidden inside WTC7 - what more does the desperate truther need?

Think of it this way. The only way the three huge buildings could fail as they did is without explosives. ROTFLMAO

 

[sylvan8798]

Straight out of the Grimm's Book of Fairy Tales, like most of what you have to say.

Lets try a more honest description.

WTC1 suffers a fountain-like collapse, and drops a few inconsequential pieces on WTC7, a building roughly half its size.

The technically unexpected collapse of the Twin Towers cost the lives of hundreds of the firefighter's comrades, but they remain on the job, but in a state of bewilderment and shock.

The fear spreads that the collapse of any burning WTC building is now possible, and that WTC7 could very well suffer the same fate.

Their supervisors strongly encourage this fear.

Several floors in WTC7 developed fires which are unfought and migrate for roughly 7 hours.

At 5:20 p.m. a successful controlled demolition of WTC7 occurs.

Ah, and you were doing so well.

 

[sylvan8798]

Think of it this way. The only way the three huge buildings could fail as they did is without explosives. ROTFLMAO

Does your conviction move you to do anything besides posting inanities on the interwebs?

 

[Oystein]

Straight out of the Grimm's Book of Fairy Tales, like most of what you have to say.

Lets try a more honest description.

WTC1 suffers a fountain-like collapse, and drops a few inconsequential pieces on WTC7, a building roughly half its size.

The technically unexpected collapse of the Twin Towers cost the lives of hundreds of the firefighter's comrades, but they remain on the job, but in a state of bewilderment and shock.

The fear spreads that the collapse of any burning WTC building is now possible, and that WTC7 could very well suffer the same fate.

Their supervisors strongly encourage this fear.

Several floors in WTC7 developed fires which are unfought and migrate for roughly 7 hours.

At 5:20 p.m. a successful controlled demolition of WTC7 occurs.

At 5:21 p.m. the Official Story stooges at JREF begin sharpening their pencils.

MM

Now that 10 years have gone by, and you have solved, maybe with the help of AE911T on the youtubez, the mystery of Building 7, maybe you are now prepared to add something to my Roll Call: What do you think happened on 9/11, and why? and "state as consisely as possible your working hypothesis of what happened on 9/11, who did it, how they did it, and why they did it. You may indicate which parts of your hypothesis you consider hard fact, and which you only guess or are unsure about."

 

[GlennB]

Several floors in WTC7 developed fires which are unfought and migrate for roughly 7 hours.

At 5:20 p.m. a successful controlled demolition of WTC7 occurs.

In a previous discussion of the alleged CD of WTC7 you claimed that the building was supposed to have fallen during the collapse of WTC1, but that the CD failed for some reason and the actual course of events was 'plan B'.

You never did explain how the 10:28 collapse of WTC1 could possibly (in terms of providing a 'cover-story' I mean) have led to WTC7's demise. After all, debris strike was far from guaranteed and there would have been no time for fires to start. One moment #7 would be there then, when the dust had cleared, it would be a heap of debris. This could not go unnoticed and would need an explanation sooner or later.

Do you still stand by your claim? If so, did you ever give any thought to what the 'cover story' might be?