Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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eeyore1954 said:
The level of due diligence done by a business in a deal worth hundreds of millions should be higher than my dealings with the barber or a mechanic. Not just because of fraud but because you want to see the soundness of the deal.

Btw I do not live in that cynical world I trust most everybody.
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Many people who lost money were small investors. Financial institutions used depositors money to gamble with. See video above where Paul Volker is trying to stop that practice and he can't. You are in effect saying to these small investors shame on you. Even if they didn't make the choice they trusted their 401 k manager or pension manager.
 
eeyore1954 said:
But do you understand how what I said does not imply fraudsters should not be prosecuted?
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I understand that. I disagree with your point about not trusting people we invest with. In essence we shouldn't trust our banks, and you know what, sadly you are right. America has handed the bankers the right to gamble with our money any way the see fit and if that drags America into a ditch then shame on us. We shouldn't have put our money into BofA or Chase. We shouldn't have trusted Freddie and Fannie. Cynical and pathetic. It's not the Canadian way but it is the American way.

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Bill Kristol says that the Occupy Wall Street protesters are anti-Semites.

Richard Cohen went to find out for himself.

Reckless Jew that I am, I muscled my way into the Occupy Wall Street encampment in Lower Manhattan despite multiple reports of virulent and conceivably lethal anti-Semitism. Projecting an unvarnished Semitism, I circled the place, encountering nothing and no one to suggest bigotry — not a sign, not a book and not even the guy who some weeks ago held up a placard with the instruction to Google the phrase “Zionists control Wall St.” Google “nut case” instead.

This was my second visit to the Occupy Wall Street site and the second time my keen reporter’s eye has failed to detect even a hint of the anti-Semitism that had been trumpeted by certain right-wing Web sites and bloggers, most prominently Bill Kristol.
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Virus said:
You see RandFan. This movement you're supporting is not made up of average Joes, driven to protest by the abuses of Wall Street, with a few radicals on the fringe. It was a big, fat fib when you said it was. Its core consists of people like Bikerdruid. Radical leftists that don't want capitalism to exist at all. The same people who come out for all the other protests like the ones against the WTO, G8, ect.
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You see virus I'm smart enough to know that movements are not monolithic, There were racists and idiots at the Tea Party rallies but I didn't assume all were racist. Even though the left-wing media made sure to identify them.
 
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Puppycow said:
Bill Kristol says that the Occupy Wall Street protesters are anti-Semites.

Richard Cohen went to find out for himself.
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But he goes on to say:
On a given day, I decide that Occupy Wall Street is about nothing and then I decide it is the Herman Cain campaign in aggregate, just a media event that has captured the flea-thoughts of many Americans. Then I decide it is an incoherent articulation of anger at the institutions that have failed us, including — by way of both self-pity and self-flagellation — the media. It seems, above all, a conspiracy to have left-leaning writers make jackasses of themselves by imparting grave and grand meaning to what is little more than a vast sleepover.
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I dubbed it the Seinfeld revolution a full month ago.
 
Drug use and drug dealing in front of kids.

 
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Ziggurat said:
And they're going to re-establish the rule of law by... breaking the law.

Got it.
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No, you haven't got it at all. Indeed, you appear to be totally clueless about what political protest is!

What laws are OWS breaking, by the way?

portlandatheist said:
Here's an update on Occupy Portland:
Sanitary & mental health concerns top 'Occupy' police calls
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Thanks for the gossip but don't worry, health and safety is defended by tear gas in the Land of the Fwee. You can sleep soundly.

Oakland police gas peaceful protestors:



After her recent arrest for obeying the law, Naomi Wolf, interviewed by Keith Olbermann, discusses how "safety issues", along with secret permits issued by municipalities are being used to trump the law and to undermine First Amendment rights :

'Naomi Wolf Explains Our Constitutional RIGHT To Peacefully Assemble'

 
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Virus said:
Drug use and drug dealing in front of kids.

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And even more serious drug dealing in front of kids:

Two Occupy Boston members have been arrested on drug charges, Boston police said yesterday.

Bostonians Isaac Bell, 34, and Charlene Dumont, 31, were both charged with distribution of a class A drug (heroin) and possession with intent to distribute a class A drug within 1,000 feet of a school zone, police say.

The 6-year-old child who was living with them in a tent is now staying with family members, police said.
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Brainster said:
And even more serious drug dealing in front of kids:
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See, the fallacy works like this.

  1. Find a group or movement you don't like.
  2. Identify a behavior of some in the group or movement that most will find repugnant.
  3. Point it out in an attempt to paint all members of the group with the same brush.
I've already pointed this out and you keep doing it. If a person knows a line of argument is fallacious and continues to engage in the fallacy doesn't that make the person intellectually dishonest?
 
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Virus said:
Drug use and drug dealing in front of kids.



bikerdruid said:
pot...do you still call 'pot' 'drugs'?
wow.
if you think this is peculiar to OWS, you must live in a bubble.
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Is purchasing alcohol and drinking in front of "kids" drug use and drug dealing in front of kids?

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RandFan said:
A loss of $300,000 is no big deal to you? Dude? 687 / 418 = 60% What you bet isn't really in evidence is it? But I will concede there was a spike before the collapse. End story my mother purchased her home for $100,000 and sold it for $120,000. That's a fact. It's an anecdote but it's a fact. The loss of value is real harm no matter how you try to spin it.

BTW: I'm always amazed with this kind of apologetics. It's as if we are in the twilight zone and all the misery we thought went through we didn't, it was minor... oh, but blame Obama anyway... odd.
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You know, it just occurred to me. In the past ten years I've spent a hundred grand on rent. It's gone money never to be recovered and in the next ten years I'll spend another hundred grand, unless of course I loose this place, then I'll spend even more. So comparatively speaking, your mother is making out way better than me and i highly doubt she was complaining as she watched her investment skyrocket in value during the run up.

So why don't I buy a house, I hear you asking yourself. Well, houses around here ( Victoria BC ) start at about 650K. There was no bubble bursting and real estate is still increasing. There's no way i can handle the payments on a mortgage anywhere near that size even with my wife and I working full time.

Obviously I can't blame the banks for real estate prices, hey I live in a very desirable location it's not my fault that the whole rest of the country wants to live here. I can blame myself for not getting into the market in the 1980s when prices weren't so retarded, when you could buy a house, a reasonable house, one you'd want to live in, for a hundred grand. Had I done that, had I actually gotten the house I put in an offer in on back in 1984, I'd be looking at well over half a million in equity right now as well as living rent/mortgage free. My offer wasn't accepted BTW and I never pursued owning real estate when I later moved to Vancouver where a crackshack ran about 400K, and a one bedroom condo, about 150K.

All my wife and I can do is bide our time waiting for people to die so we can get some inheritance cash and maybe get into the market....or move to the boondocks and spend 3-4 hours a day commuting.

So, relatively speaking, you mom did well.
 
bikerdruid said:
pot...do you still call 'pot' 'drugs'?
wow.
if you think this is peculiar to OWS, you must live in a bubble.
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Yea, I was expecting something a little more hardcore, maybe a scene from Trainspotting, something like that, not a few puffs on the pipe around a kid too young to know what's going on.
 
JihadJane said:
What laws are OWS breaking, by the way?
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Please read the thread. Laws broken include theft, assault, sexual assault, vandalism, weapons charges, defecation and urination in public, indecent exposure, child neglect and so on.
These parks, such as the ones in Portland, belong to all of us and we take care of them with our tax dollars but they do have rules which are in place to make it better for everybody such as not defecating and not spending the night in the park. The "99%" don't seem to care about the park rules that we came up with as a community (it wasn't big banks that made these rules)
 
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