Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Machiavelli]

Thanks, I think I understand what you meant now. Do you mean things like not taking down (for example) a drug dealer, or not doing so right away, as long as the purpose is something legitimate (such as catching a bigger fish)? And that the beat cop should not be the one making that decision? Okay, I agree with that.

Yes, something like that. Also, there is often an actual diffuse tolerance for small drug dealing in some areas in cities, just as a policy. Sometimes the administration considers "being tough" on drugs as a non productive approach that would create more problems. But these decisions have to be taken at an appropriate level. The concept of "legitimate" does not necessarily mean one specific legal goal; it might just be the management of public security and public order.

 

[Machiavelli]

Diocletus,

I have linked several times to an Amnesty International report from 2007 (also 2008) which suggested something similar.

The region where I live has an organ for complaints about the administration. However this would deal with the police only in rare cases of serious human rights violations, such as killing or torture. Could never deal with the state police for things as vague as "we would like to investigate about a picture that maybe could have been leaked to the press in the UK by an unknown police officer".
As a rule, the organ for complaint in my region does not deal with police work.
But other Italian regions don't have organs for complaint at all:


http://www.asef.org/images/docs/1270-Police_Oversight_Mechanisms_in_Europe.pdf

 

[RWVBWL]

He was dropped by the Procura because he released information to the press before the issue of his autopsy report.

So? What's wrong with that?

And BTW, what information did he release?

From Frank Sfarzo of Perugia Shock, Feb. 15, 2008:
He just got fired. He's not that busy any more. I thought I wouldn't be disturbing him, but still he refused to talk.
Luca --as soon as he delivered his report Wednesday -- got the goodbye from Luciano. A multi-year marriage ends under the cameras. All the happy days spent together, all those sweet causes of death, all those inviting corpses, forgiven. And for what? For a stupid interview.
Actually he had been talking quite a lot to media in the past few days. Five-seven sentences in all, that's a lot for Mr Close-mouthed Giuliano Mignini. That's too much.
The call I had this morning with Dr. Lalli should probably save us from elaborating strange theories about why he got sacked. The reason of it is exactly that. He talked about the case, which is against the law and he was fired for it. And not just the same old sentences stolen by the newspapers. This time he talked to Studio Aperto broadcast. Three sentences over the phone, which were recorded. And that was trouble. A sentence reported in a newspaper is one thing. Your own voice, which everyone can hear on TV, is another.

Link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101015182744/http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

 

[RWVBWL]

Greetings everyone,
I've sometimes wondered why Le Chic was kept closed after Patrick 'Diya" Lumumba was released from prison.

Reading some old Perugia Shock late last night,
I came across this from Frank Sfarzo, dated Feb. 24, 2008:
(Link is in my post above)

On the side of the investigation, a local newspaper yesterday reported that some compromising material was allegedly found in Patrick's pub when it was searched. Still something to be explained for our rich man, it would seem...

 

[LashL]

As far as I undestood, the charges against the "Sollecitos" are various (the Sollecitos meaning a political "clan", not just family members)

Hi, Machiavelli, and thanks for your brief response. [I'm still looking forward to your response to my prior (lengthy) post 13,640, but again, no rush. It often takes me a couple of days (and sometimes more) to get back to a thread I've posted in so I completely understand.]

As for this post, though, it raises a few questions for me on its own.

I don't understand your (seemingly) unusual use of quotation marks in this post, so perhaps you can clarify. What do you mean when you say that the charges against members of the Sollecito family are actually charges against a "political clan"? What is this "political clan" to which you refer, and who are the members of this "political clan" for purposes of our discussion of this case?

art. 684 : arbitrary publication of judicial files (charge pressed by the Kerchers)

So, if I'm reading what you're saying correctly, you're saying that the Kercher family has pressed charges against members of the Sollecito family for making video available for dissemination by the media on the basis that it amounted to "publication of judicial files", even though the Kercher family (according to Maresca) approved the public dissemination of the same video during the second trial? And, again if I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that the Kercher family never pressed charges against anyone else other than members of the Sollecito family, pursuant to article 684, for "publication of judicial files" (such as the "house of horrors" photos or any other leaks that were made by the prosecution/police/keepers of the judicial files/those with access to the "judicial files")? Is that correct?

defamation (pressed by police officers, a local governor is also charged)

Please elaborate. Which police officers pressed charges of defamation against which members of the Sollecito family? What are the details of those charges and accusations, and under which article were these charges brought by these police officers?

violation of privacy (charge pressed by the Kerchers)

Again, is this relating to dissemination of the same video that the Kercher family subsquently "approved" for dissemination (according to Maresca) or is it something else? And under which article was this charge brought?

unauthorised broadcast of obscene/gory material (only against Telenorba)

Was this charge against Telenorba brought by the Kercher family or some arm of Italian law enforcement? Also, what is the current status of this charge, and under which article was it brought?

Thanks in advance for your anticipated response.

 

[RWVBWL]

Yes, I was trying to say that as well.

What they also miss is that if someone could have been in the murder room at the time of the murder and not leave any evidence then it could be anybody, for example Kokomani. In fact, since they found some evidence that didn't match anybody they had reference samples for, that is more evidence that someone besides the kids was with Rudy.

What evidence do we have?

A white car by the cottage.
Said to be owned by a drug dealer in Corso Garibaldi.

A dark car in the driveway at 8pm that night and 11pm on Halloween
(per cellphone records). Said to be owned by Kokomani.

Who entered the downstairs apartment and when?
Whoever it was had a key
Stefano's room was tossed.
Cat's blood on a lightswitch.

Did Meredith go down there after returning home, to water the plants or check on the cat, then heard a noise in the upstairs flat?

Did she leave the front door upstairs unlocked while she was down there?

Both Kokomani and Antonio Aviello disappeared from Perugia the next day.

There is little evidence available to make sense of Rudy having an accomplice in this crime. While it is possible that more than one burglar entered the cottage through the broken window, where is the accomplice while Rudy is taking a dump?

He was killing Meredith. Rudy was freaked out by the brutal murder and took a dump. The killer being a sophisticated criminal left no evidence behind. Rudy fears this man and his associates and therefore will not come clean.

She may have visited the downstairs apartment before entering her own home. It was Rudy upstairs that said he heard a noise downstairs and got freaked.

Leaving the door unlocked while making a quick trip to the neighbors is not unheard of. But if Meredith had come in and was going downstairs, would she have taken off her jacket first?

Many think that Rudy needed to be working with a pro to disable the alarm when the lawyers' office was burglarized. It is possible, I'd say more possible, that an accomplice, who had an extensive criminal background, could have left no trace that the ILE found. They did in fact find evidence they couldn't tie to anyone they had reference prints or DNA of.

Rudy finds himself with blood all over himself and stays to clean himself up while the accomplice leaves. Rudy could have returned to the scene all the while leaving evidence.

The major point here is that if RS and AK could have been involved and not left any evidence then somebody else could have as well. Kokomani was there at the time of the murder with a car which to me is more evidence than what they claim against AK and RS.

What's up everyone,
Been readin' and followin' daily, wanted to comment on these posts when I had something to add. For the cats blood, the car seen in the driveway, the lawyers office burglar alarm disconnected, all tell me things. As does Rudy Gude's and Hekuran Kokomani's strange stories and both leavin' town. It's almost like these 2 did not cordinate their alibi stories really well, but both were there the night that Miss Meredith Kercher was so brutally slain...

Here's something that Frank Sfarzo wrote a few years back:
Saturday, February 2, 2008
Amanda Out of the Room

As we've been expecting, data keep emerging as the analysis proceeds toward completion. Yesterday it was revealed that Rudy's blood was found on the exterior of Meredith's purse, while traces of her own blood were found inside it. Other leaks suggest Rudy's blood was even found on some clothes hanging in Meredith's closet. But if so, maybe he was just looking for something to wear. You never know.

So, they keep on finding plenty of traces of Rudy, and almost nothing of the others. Is it possible Rudy committed the crime alone?

Let's examine this possibility. First, I have to recall my original assumption that this can hardly be a deliberate crime, because:

-If you want to kill someone with a knife, you make wounds much more serious than the ones found on Meredith. In this case, the carotid artery wasn't even cut. If the killer really wanted her to die, he would have stabbed her again.
-If you want to kill someone, you don't try to save her. But here it seems they tried to stop her bleeding with towels, at least for a short time.

So, this tragic death must have been an accident. The hell of an accident. Meredith was under threat of a knife. While in that position maybe she made a sudden movement in order to free herself, and the knife went straight into her. This always suggested to me that the one holding Meredith, was a different person than the one holding the knife. If he or she were the same person, he could have followed Meredith's movement, and avoided cutting her. But being another person, he or she perceived Meredith's movements with a deadly delay, and couldn't avoid cutting her. This person cut not only Meredith's throat, but Rudy's hand as well--- unless we want to believe Rudy cut himself, or as he says, was injured by a stranger.

So, only in view of the dynamics, this crime could hardly have been committed by one person. If then we remember that Raffaele's DNA was found on Meredith's bra, also scientific results put at least a second person in the room. There's also the shoe print of course, which, even though has been doubted, still supports Rafaelle's presence, even if it may come from another pair of shoes, which may have disappeared.

The judges, who know everything better than us, agree that the three suspects committed the crime together. Why then has there not yet been a trace of Amanda found in Meredith's room? Why have traces of her only been found in relation to the clean up?

First of all, we must consider that we hardly leave DNA simply by touching something. We need to leave some biological matter. This may happen because, for instance, we have sweat on our skin, or because we hit or rub against something, rather than merely touching it. If Amanda was, for instance, just holding the knife, it's possible she didn't leave any DNA in the room. She may have left it just on the knife. And indeed, on a knife it has been found.

Obviously after a long fight, none of the people in the room could have avoided leaving their biological matter. But as we can see from the condition of the room, there wasn't a long fight at all. Yes, her bra and pants were on the floor, but everything else is perfectly in it's place. The suitcase is perfectly under the bed, the purse perfectly on the bed and the nightstand is in a normal position. It was quite a "static" struggle and didn't last very long, so this could be why there's little DNA evidence of anyone other than Rudy. Rudy has been rubbing his fingers in Meredith. Probably he didn't know but it's a perfect way to leave your own cells. Raffaele took Meredith's bra away with violence. And again this leaves epithelial cells on it. Or maybe he just touched it, in order to stage the scene, while there was sweat on his hand (because of the emotion or as an effect of the joint). Again, perfect way to leave your signature. For not to mention Rudy was bleeding. That's probably why Rudy fled away. Not only he escaped but he tried to create to himself a new identity in Germany (he had asked political asylum under false name). He knew his signature was there because of his blood, so, once identified he would have been immediately nailed, as indeed happened.
<snip>


I recall reading a forum post on Perugia Shock from waaay back in Nov. or Dec 2007 from a gal whose moniker was Oceania8 that has remained in my often overloaded brain. She wrote that her son was in Perugia at the time, going to school and knew of Rudy Guede. Small world I thought, but then in another wierd coincedence, Thoughtful of PMF fame has a daughter that is engaged to a guy who also knew Rudy Guede.

Anyways, IIRC
Oceania8 said that her son mentioned that Rudy Guede had a buddy who was scary as scheeit mon, one mean lookin' dude,...

Was Hekuran Kokomani buddies with Rudy Guede?
Google his name, Hekuran Kokomani. He's 1 scary lookin' dude.
What was their relationship before Miss Kercher was slain? Were they buddies? What was Herkuran Kokomani's car, IIRC, a back Golf doing near the cottage that night?

It would be interesting if Oceania8,
who has recently posted on Perugia Shock after the innocent verdicts had freed Raffaele and Amanda from prison, would have her son look at every available public photo of Hekuaran Kokomani and try and ID if he indeed was the person that her son mentioned of so long ago...

Replace any mention of Raffaele Sollecito or Amanda Knox in the above scenerio that Sfarzo wrote of, with a more experienced guy, a street wise buddy of Rudy's and I wonder, does it possibly make sense what Frank wrote?

There is still too many variables for me to believe, 100%, that Rudy Guede committed this murder by himself. And I for 1 await Frank Sfarzo's future postings...
L8, RW

 

[Chris_Halkides]

cat's blood

BTW, animal blood is another type of false positive in forensic testing for blood, assuming that the animal is not part of the crime in question. That is another reason why antibody-based testing is so useful as a confirmatory test for blood.

 

[Machiavelli]

......
So, if I'm reading what you're saying correctly, you're saying that the Kercher family has pressed charges against members of the Sollecito family for making video available for dissemination by the media on the basis that it amounted to "publication of judicial files", even though the Kercher family (according to Maresca) approved the public dissemination of the same video during the second trial?

quick response:

No. Maresca showed a set of 10 pictures to the people in the courtroom. He only showed them, did not disseminate them in media, and did not authorize their recording, publication or dissemination. Photos and videos were prohibited inside the courtroom.

And, again if I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that the Kercher family never pressed charges against anyone else other than members of the Sollecito family, pursuant to article 684, for "publication of judicial files" (such as the "house of horrors" photos or any other leaks that were made by the prosecution/police/keepers of the judicial files/those with access to the "judicial files")?

I think they pressed charges againt journalists of Telenorba too.

Please elaborate. Which police officers pressed charges of defamation against which members of the Sollecito family?

I didn't follow the Sollecito trial closely enough. I don't know the name of the police officers. My educated guess is that Monica Napoleoni could be among them, since she is a high member of the SAP, a police syndacate. I may look further into it, but the press didn't follow much this trial, you don't find news about it. A defamafion charge doesn't make much news.
I know that one of the suspects targeted with the charge was not a journalist but a woman who is a member of the city government of Giovinazzo.

Again, is this relating to dissemination of the same video that the Kercher family subsquently "approved" for dissemination (according to Maresca) or is it something else?

It is something else. But above all, the venue was different.

Was this charge against Telenorba brought by the Kercher family or some arm of Italian law enforcement? Also, what is the current status of this charge, and under which article was it brought?

I think the charges against Telenorba were brought by Maresca. There is more than one charge pending on Telenorba journalists and operatives.

 

[Grinder]

There is still too many variables for me to believe, 100%, that Rudy Guede committed this murder by himself. And I for 1 await Frank Sfarzo's future postings...
L8, RW

This has always seemed a false dilemma to me. The idea that either Rudy did it alone or he did it with Amanda and Raffaele is not necessarily the case.

Rudy was there for sure. Could he have done it alone? Yes it's certainly possible. Could he have done it with one or more others? Yes.

The footprint on the bathmat need not be either Rudy's or Raffaele's, it could be another accessory that has never been found. Another false dilemma.

Said it before, how Kokomani, admitted being there, later arrested for drug dealing, told a story of having and throwing two cell phones on the street of the cottage, left for Albania shortly after the murder, went to an attorney first, had a car matching the one seen in the cottage driveway and knew Rudy; hasn't been on top of the list of suspects seems very odd.

 

[Fine]

Greetings everyone,
I've sometimes wondered why Le Chic was kept closed after Patrick 'Diya" Lumumba was released from prison.

Reading some old Perugia Shock late last night,
I came across this from Frank Sfarzo, dated Feb. 24, 2008:
(Link is in my post above)

On the side of the investigation, a local newspaper yesterday reported that some compromising material was allegedly found in Patrick's pub when it was searched. Still something to be explained for our rich man, it would seem...

______________

RWVBWL,

Hmmmm. Interesting. Maybe someone can find that local Perugian newspaper article published---according to Frank--- on Saturday, February 23, 2008. It appears from Frank's wording that the compromising material is financial, which would indicate that "rich" Patrick's nightclub, Le Chic, was not profitable at all, but, instead, was in debt. (So... is a certain vindictive bitch responsible for his nightclub going out of business?) This would also explain why he received such modest damage awards, from the state for false imprisonment and from Amanda for defamation.

In March, 2009, for false imprisonment Patrick was awarded 8,000 euros. I see HERE that Patrick estimated his damages to be 516,000 euros!

///

 

[Diocletus]

My grandmother's name was Atea ("atheist") and my grandfather's name was Libero ("free")

So, the children of pro-communist partisans. Or hippies. Or whatever.

their fathers were railway men.

Mussolini made the trains run on time. Just sayin'.

I am a supporter of some Palestinian "terrorist" groups (but not religious groups, and do not subscribe to terrorist actions on civilians) and supporter of the "arab spring" democratic socialist movements; I am a pacifist but don't believe in non-violence; I worked as a photographer in places as south Lebanon but never supported armed actions nor human shields; I was a friend of Vittorio Arrigoni who was killed in the Gaza strip.

Communists, pseudo-intellectualism, terrorists . . . it's all so clear now: you hate Americans. Especially the privileged, educated, bourgeoisie, white ones like Amanda Knox.

 

[Diocletus]

You are changing topic. We are not talking about Mignini's lawsuit against Knox's parents.

Nope. Same issue: can harm in Italy be caused by publication in a UK paper? You say no, Mignini says yes. Who is right?

And you are changing my statements: you skipped the requirement of formal complaint within 90 days, as a basis for the existence of a crime.

Such petty formalities don't trump civil rights and don't interest me. Justice does.

Your attention points towards a different direction: you are not interested in prosecuting defamatory contant or prosecuting the illegitimate publication of trial files, you are instead focused on preventing the publication of things, you call for a punishment on the source of the revelation of files, the release of information to a third person.

Freedom of the press is one of the most important rights in a free society (check out my avatar--Andrew Hamilton--he invented it). It keeps a check on the authorities, including the cops.

But freedom of the press doesn't give the authorities the right to use the press to compromise the civil rights of criminal defendants. It is this misconduct of the Perugian authorities that concerns me.

And BTW, "freedom" is a two-way street. If the press wants to be free, then it must act free. That means that the press has a duty to question authority and to report competently. A press that just repeats the nonsense that the authorities say is just the mouthpiece of the state and is not really a free press. The Italian press behaved in exactly this manner in this case--they unquestioningly repeated the lies that the Perugian authorities told them without asking the questions that they had to ask. The Italian press was incompetent, negligent, sensationalist and complicit. This was no free press; it was press malpractice. And it created an atmosphere where two innocent people were convicted of a crime for no good reason. Vergogna.

 

[Grinder]

Mach,

If I twist your arm behind your back causing great pain and will only stop if you say a lie, is that calunnia?

What action could the police have done that would absolve Amanda of calunnia, etc.?

Frank wrote of many misconducts by the police. RW perhaps you could link to some of them. Mach are you aware of any similar cases of the police lying about evidence to a suspect and getting them to make a false statement?

 

[Diocletus]

The region where I live has an organ for complaints about the administration. However this would deal with the police only in rare cases of serious human rights violations, such as killing or torture. Could never deal with the state police for things as vague as "we would like to investigate about a picture that maybe could have been leaked to the press in the UK by an unknown police officer".
As a rule, the organ for complaint in my region does not deal with police work.
But other Italian regions don't have organs for complaint at all:


http://www.asef.org/images/docs/1270-Police_Oversight_Mechanisms_in_Europe.pdf

So, the cops know that as long as they don't kill or torture someone, there is no administrative body or investigative press to answer to, so they can do whatever they like. Like hit suspects, violate their right to counsel, violate their right to remain silent and violate their right to a fair trial.

What would grandpa "Libero" think of this?

 

[Diocletus]

For example: drug dealing is often tolerated, by a decision of the Questore. But a low rank officer should not, by his own decision and own initiative, decide to not investigate or not capture a drug dealer. A questore might do that, might issue the order, becasue he is given the task of making this kind of assessments, while a low rank is not.

So are you saying that the Questore gave an order that led to the non-apprehension of Guede prior to his killing of Kercher?

 

[Machiavelli]

....
Communists, pseudo-intellectualism, terrorists . . . it's all so clear now: you hate Americans. Especially the privileged, educated, bourgeoisie, white ones like Amanda Knox.

It's "all clear" for you ....
I am only staggered by your personal presumption about your "understanding". Most of the world beongs in some degree to some cultural environment that is not American (and still most not European). Most of the people of the world don't spend their time hating Americans: I don't hate Americans nor the "whites"
I don't hate Americans at all. I hate lies, injustice and what I consider intellectuall arrogance from whenever it comes from (Russia, America, Italy, the Vatican or else).

 

[RWVBWL]

<snip>
Said it before, how Kokomani, admitted being there, later arrested for drug dealing, told a story of having and throwing two cell phones on the street of the cottage, left for Albania shortly after the murder, went to an attorney first, had a car matching the one seen in the cottage driveway and knew Rudy; hasn't been on top of the list of suspects seems very odd.

Hi Grinder,
1 thing that I had forgotten to mention was that I had learned from poster Fulcanelli, before he was banned, was that whomever broke into the lawyers office had also stolen a printer.

Now for some reason, I just can not see Rudy Guede walking the streets while carrying a stolen laptop and also a stolen printer. So I give more credence to the idea that Rudy had someone else with him when that office was broken into. Someone must have cased the joint to know that it had a burglary alarm, wouldn't they be worried about someone walking by and asking them what they were doing? After casing the joint, they find that there is a burglar alarm. Now it has to be disconnected. More time involved, more chances of being busted. IIRC, the lawyers office had a window broken on the 2nd floor with a rock. Breaking windows makes noise. If two guys were involved, 1 who acted as a lookout, while someone else, the more experienced one turned off the burglar alarm, it makes things much easier, though it could have been done a solo job also. I wonder how the escape from the office went, thru the front door or back out the window? If there were 2 people involved, they probably had a car with them, much better to put any stolen goods into. But Rudy doesn't have a car.

Rudy was found with the stolen laptop in Milan.
In debate last year, Malkmus wrote that this is 4 hours away. Fulcanneli wrote that Rudy was going to visit his aunt, that is why he was in Milan. OK. Well why didn't Rudy just continue onward to her place then that night? Even if it was really late at night when he arrived?

Why would Rudy, a guy without a job, pay anyone 50 euros to stay at a nursery school when he could have just continued on his way to his aunts place and sleep on a bed or heck, even the couch? "Hmmm, it's 3:00am, these trains take forever. I don't wanna wake old Auntie Mildred, so I'll just ask around, maybe someone knows a cheap place were I can get some shuteye. "Hey dude, I need a place to crash, know any?" "Sure mon, give me 50 euros, I take you to da kine place." Right...

I just don't buy it, too many bullcrap stories that just don't make sense...

Kinda like Hekuran Kokomani saying that when he saw Amanda with a big knife while driving his car 1 night, he then threw olives at her. Right.
If I saw someone with a knife while drivin' my car at night, ah, I think that I would just keep on my way. Not roll the windows down and throw olives at her. Wouldn't you?

Kokomani's stories don't make sense, nor does Rudy Guede's.
I think that there's still more to the story.
Gotta run, see ya,
RW

 

[Diocletus]

From Frank Sfarzo of Perugia Shock, Feb. 15, 2008:
He just got fired. He's not that busy any more. I thought I wouldn't be disturbing him, but still he refused to talk.
Luca --as soon as he delivered his report Wednesday -- got the goodbye from Luciano. A multi-year marriage ends under the cameras. All the happy days spent together, all those sweet causes of death, all those inviting corpses, forgiven. And for what? For a stupid interview.
Actually he had been talking quite a lot to media in the past few days. Five-seven sentences in all, that's a lot for Mr Close-mouthed Giuliano Mignini. That's too much.
The call I had this morning with Dr. Lalli should probably save us from elaborating strange theories about why he got sacked. The reason of it is exactly that. He talked about the case, which is against the law and he was fired for it. And not just the same old sentences stolen by the newspapers. This time he talked to Studio Aperto broadcast. Three sentences over the phone, which were recorded. And that was trouble. A sentence reported in a newspaper is one thing. Your own voice, which everyone can hear on TV, is another.

Link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101015182744/http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

Apparently, Lalli was fired for saying that there were bruises consistent with sex, that may or may not have been created at the time of the killing:

We had already mentioned in an article a few days ago, and the coroner Luca Lalli confirmed yesterday in an interview with Open Studio: "Sexual violence on Meredith was there. I've always said and continue to repeat. " The pathologist will deliver the final report this morning about the autopsy performed on the body of British student, but in the meantime states: "The girls there are only bruises consistent with sexual intercourse, but may have been consumed in the days before the murder ". Adding:

The theory of sexual violence has been built by the investigators do not know on what basis. Perhaps I expressed myself badly when I spoke about this idea, invention investigation. I do not mean that investigators came up with sexual violence. It is a given, again, that does not emerge from the biological point of view and, therefore, is an investigation for which data is not up to me, coroner, to be confirmed.

http://www.crimeblog.it/post/84/del...ostiene-che-non-ce-stata-violenza-su-meredith

 

[Machiavelli]

....
And BTW, "freedom" is a two-way street. If the press wants to be free, then it must act free. That means that the press has a duty to question authority and to report competently.
A press that just repeats the nonsense that the authorities say is just the mouthpiece of the state and is not really a free press. The Italian press behaved in exactly this manner in this case--they unquestioningly repeated the lies that the Perugian authorities told them without asking the questions that they had to ask.

This is plainly false. For example the press immediatly dismissed the accusation against Patrick Lumumba stating it was not credible, days before the authorities changed their position.
Moreover, the Italian press reported correctly in real time about the investigation on Knox and Sollecito.
And the Italian press did not publish any pink bathroom picture nor a caption stating there was a blood soaked bathroom. (maybe you confuse that with the UK tabloid press).
No sane person or press source in Italy would think that an Italian authoritiy released a picture (from an existing investigation file) in the UK to create prejudice in Perugia, and that this claim can make sense. But seems you request the Italian press to come out with this nonsense theories, and you call this nonsense "questioning authority".

Moreover you have no proof nor element to state the "Perugian authorities" told lies of any kind.

All what you state is a nonsense series of falsehoods.

I have also explained what the laws are about; I showed why your comparison with Mignini's lawsuits make no sense: Mignini has used a legitimate venue, legal means and timings for his lawsuites (which can be right or wrong, but are legitimate), and was working on a codified charge such as defamation.
Your claim is about a "source" and a "leak" which is an event imagined by yourself and not proven nor corroborated by any element, moreover on topics that have no meaning in Italy and no weight on a trial; and you state that this *investigating the source* is comparable with Mignini sueing a journalist for defamation: this comparison is nonsense.

If you lived in Italy, you would just accept and comprehend the principle that the "leaks" you give much importance to are irrelevant, are unrelated to authority and do not constitute a matter for an investigation on authorites as you think. You would just see that your theory is not only unsupported but illogical.

 

[Magister]

Hi RW
I wonder what your view is on the bomb hoax at the house where the two cellphones were found in the garden.
Also the white car outside the cottage - I seem to recall LMT saying the engine was running and its headlights were on. Belonged to a drug dealer.