UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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We are born with sensory and processing abilities and we sense things and process billions of bits of sensory information daily. This process gives rise to our consciousness and this is about as close to reality as we can get.
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That may be as close to reality as we can get with our own senses, our perception and cognition, but that's why we don't accept anecdotes as evidence for themselves. That's why science does not rely on our individual perception and cognition alone. That's why science relies on empirical evidence, measurement, logical, critical analysis—and most importantly—publication and independent confirmation by other researchers.

Citing a position of solipsism as a logical defense for any and every fantasy that one can dream up is the granddaddy of all arguments from ignorance.

You can't have it both ways. You can't deny reality on one hand, and then assert you know anything for a fact on the other.
 
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ufology said:
Daylightstar,

We're getting off topic here ... I was about as tall as the average 6 year old ... about as tall as the tall grass in the field. I don't have any records. What's the point you are trying to make? What does it have to do with UFOs and the research or the evidence?
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It certainly says something about your research abilities that you can't even find an estimate for how tall an average six year old would be.
 
ufology said:
We're getting off topic here ... I was about as tall as the average 6 year old ... about as tall as the tall grass in the field. I don't have any records. What's the point you are trying to make?
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Maybe that any rabbit or hare you may have encountered at that age, if it was as tall as you, could definitively be called a giant?

What does it have to do with UFOs and the research or the evidence?
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It speaks to the credibility of the witness. Although I think we've come to a reasonable consensus that what you describe as your alien sighting is actually a simple hoax.
 
ufology,

ufology said:
Daylightstar,

We're getting off topic here ... I was about as tall as the average 6 year old ... about as tall as the tall grass in the field. I don't have any records. What's the point you are trying to make? What does it have to do with UFOs and the research or the evidence?
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Well, perhaps you could explain that. You relate these stories about a talking rabbit and much more, on a website about UFO's.
 
So now can we get back to ufology please? I had asked if anyone had dug up anything on Clark McClelland. Has anyone done a credentials check on him or checked out any of his references to see if they are real? Are there any inconsistencies in his stories that I should be aware of. Has anyone here got more than a mere opinion to go on?
 
ufology said:
So now can we get back to ufology please? I had asked if anyone had dug up anything on Clark McClelland. Has anyone done a credentials check on him or checked out any of his references to see if they are real? Are there any inconsistencies in his stories that I should be aware of. Has anyone here got more than a mere opinion to go on?
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Yes, in the post that I addressed to it. You failed to answer that one also. Why do you solicit comments and then ignore them?

Now answer: Do you have any evidence that it happened at all?
 
Garrison said:
It certainly says something about your research abilities that you can't even find an estimate for how tall an average six year old would be.
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Probably.
However, ufology relates the story for a six year old, and stated in this thread:
ufology said:
...and I was not very tall then. ...
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Perhaps a six year old is not very tall, perhaps he was not as tall as the average 42 inches.
But the again, how 'tall' can a giant talking rabbit be? ;)
 
RoboTimbo said:
Yes, in the post that I addressed to it. You failed to answer that one also. Why do you solicit comments and then ignore them?

Now answer: Do you have any evidence that it happened at all?
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RoboTimbo,

Evidence of what? What do you mean by "it"?
 
ufology,

ufology said:
So now can we get back to ufology please? I had asked if anyone had dug up anything on Clark McClelland. Has anyone done a credentials check on him or checked out any of his references to see if they are real? Are there any inconsistencies in his stories that I should be aware of. Has anyone here got more than a mere opinion to go on?
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yes, let's. For now.
The credulity check for you has a negative result.
 
GeeMack said:
Maybe that any rabbit or hare you may have encountered at that age, if it was as tall as you, could definitively be called a giant?

It speaks to the credibility of the witness. Although I think we've come to a reasonable consensus that what you describe as your alien sighting is actually a simple hoax.
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GeeMack,

your so called "consensus" doesn't mean I've hoaxed anything. That's just your prejudicial opinion based on your personal bias. If your were impartial and objective the best you could do is reserve judgement pending further evidence.
 
Number of sightings confirmed to be hoaxes: Several hundred.
Number of sightings that turned out to be intelligent aliens: Zero.

I think he's just playing the odds.
 
Mister Earl said:
Number of sightings confirmed to be hoaxes: Several hundred.
Number of sightings that turned out to be intelligent aliens: Zero.

I think he's just playing the odds.
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Again you're talking about proof vs. evidence. So what if there are hoaxes? That doesn't mean every sighting is a hoax and it doesn't give anyone justification for labeling everyone who sees a UFO a hoaxer.
 
ufology,

ufology said:
I'm looking for information to back up or confirm the credibility of Clark C. McLelland including experience, credentials or logical inconsistencies in his accounts.

http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/site/

I'm not looking for simple offhanded dismissals based on a lack of sufficient scientific evidence.
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Why do you worry about the credibility of someone else, when you don't even worry about the disaster which is your credibility?
 
ufology said:
GeeMack,

your so called "consensus" doesn't mean I've hoaxed anything. That's just your prejudicial opinion based on your personal bias. If your were impartial and objective the best you could do is reserve judgement pending further evidence.
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I am reserving judgement pending further evidence. I am a skeptic. I accept, provisionally, based on all the evidence available to this point, that you made up your UFO tale and are presenting it as a hoax. Got any of that further evidence you speak of, objective evidence that might demonstrate your alleged alien sighting to be something other than a hoax?
 
Considering a Google search for Clark C McClelland doesn't return any hits except alien-believer websites, and there's no mention of him on the list of astronauts on NASA's page, the early signs aren't looking good for him being anything other than.....



.... made-up! :jaw-dropp
 
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