The fact is that stripping away the mountains of jargon that the freemen like to use, it all comes down to guns.
The people with the guns say the law works one way, and the vast majority of society agrees with them , because while imperfect, that way is seen as fair by the vast majority of us. The minority, who seem to be very interested in getting free money, ,not paying debts, not paying for using public services ( a road is in a slightly poorer state after you use it, for example.) say they don't think this is how the law works.
You have no way to enforce what you believe is the law Rob, and if you and your ilk ever decided to go the use of force route, not only would you be fighting the well established and funded police and military, but also the rest of us.
So, how exactly are you going to win this fight? Your ideals appeal to only those who want to get out of debts and magically have free millions appear, and who are so immature as to think that being able to use public services without pitching in ( paying taxes) would actually work, and those are in the vast minority. So a political win is out of the question. And you can't outgun the police and army, let alone the rest of us, who would gladly take up arms to protect our legal system.
So what exactly can you do? You can see that the judges just ignore your claims, and police do the same. Even if your right, the vast majority of folks, in public and in the government disagree with you and will not change the law to suit your people's needs.
You know its a hopeless battle you just want to profiteer from it as much as you can.
Well you can claim it comes down to guns, I think it comes down to love, and truth.
The people with the guns? Have you no idea how many guns there are out there in the hands of the people?
The vast majority of people who have drivers licenses never read the Acts under which they applied, same is true with the vast majority of people who have SIN’s, and they all seem to be convinced that one needs a license to travel on the road in an automobile, and not a single one of them can point to the section within that Act removing the previous right to do so. The minority, are in fact not looking for a free ride, that is the belief presented by the detractors, to justify their claim to the right to use force to control. The truth is you are not representing our views accurately at all, and since you have already grown attached to the idea that those are our beliefs, and have attacked us not for our beliefs, but what you think they are, you now justify continuing to do so, and refusing to examine what they truly are.
Having spoken just recently with many people, and asking them questions, I think we are actually in the majority, when our views and beliefs are properly presented, instead of the twisted view you seem to have.
Yesterday I was playing ‘Mr.Curious’ and was speaking with people on the street as they walked past. Had a chance to discuss in depth with a number of them my beliefs. And all of them agreed with me and the Freeman perspective. I asked them two questions:
1- Do you agree the people in the government should be bound by the law?
2- Do you think it is a good idea to have a civilian peace officer force to ensure that the existing police forces operate lawfully?
Guess what? EVERYONE agreed the people in the government should be bound by the law, and with the exception of one guy who was planning on being a cop, everyone thought the civilian peace officer force was a good idea! Now since those are among the beliefs of Freemen, it seems to me that the Freeman perspective, when properly presented, is quite agreeable to the vast majority of people. At least when they are not prejudiced and misinformed.
You are right in that I personally have no way to force what I believe is the law, and the path of violence is not one I have ever threatened, advocated nor employed. (Unlike a certain party on this forum who stated quite plainly he would like to fly over here and commit murder, and the only thing stopping him was the idea he would go to prison for it. ) However if you think this means I am powerless, you would be wrong. And you may wish to do a little head count, in regards to how many people there are for every cop. (900-1 approx.) And those people in the army, did you forget, they are our friends and family, and are not going to blindly accept orders to kill us to silence us. You can’t kill or shoot an idea dude. The fact is many of them agree with us. The people in the government are bound by the law. The police need to be policed. These are very simple concepts, and I can’t believe yo would argue against them.
So how am I going to win you ask? Your claim that I can’t win is based upon a completely erroneous understanding of my beliefs, and ignores the fact that I can go out, and present my actual ideals and beliefs, not the twisted and misrepresented mess you seem to think it is. I am surprised you did not claim that the majority of people do not want to kick puppies down the street, an then try to imply that is what Freemen do. You speak of maturity, and yet likely, if you are with the majority, are legally operating in the position of a child of the province, or ward of the state without even realizing it! I do not see a political win as out of the question at all, although I imagine we have slightly different views on ‘political’. As a matter of fact, I have found that people are very accepting of the Freeman perspective, but of course it, and not what YOU think it is, has to be presented. It seems to me it is you acting immaturely, and that is highlighted by your speaking of violence, and underscored by your ignorance of our actual views.
What can I do you ask. You claim the vast majority disagree with us, but that is where YOU are wrong. When the right questions are asked, just about everyone seems to agree. So let me tell you what I can do. I can do something you can’t stop me from doing. Something which the people in the government can’t stop, nor the police, nor the courts. Something not even the populace can stop me from doing. Something which when done properly actually gains the support of many of the people in the police and courts and wins over the majority. Something which if anyone tries to stop me from doing makes them look like fools and enemies of the people. I can do something I am very very good at. I can do it very cheaply, and do not need guns.
I do not think it is a hopeless battle, if I did I would not be in it. Nor do I seek profit. And the only reason you think I would, is because you can’t see us winning, and that is because you can’t even see us, nor our ideals and beliefs.
