Herman Cain leads by 20 points!

There are only about ten pages that apply to most of us working people. That there may be a hundred pages that apply to your business is not a big issue.

If you can't deal with it, you probably shouldn't be in business.
 
Neally said:
Such as?
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Such as treating all households with the same income as if they should pay the same taxes, regardless of whether they are paying heavy medical bills, putting kids through college, suffering from natural disasters etc. Special situations are one reason why the tax code is complicated. You can eliminate the complication, but by doing so (like in the examples above) you make it horribly unfair. One size really doesn't fit all.
 
Ladewig said:
I guess it is possible. After all Cain is the name of a notable murderer in the Bible.
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He may not have the mark of Cain but he has his name. I understand the name Cain is Hebrew meaning spear.

[Insert joke here]
 
Tricky said:
Such as treating all households with the same income as if they should pay the same taxes, regardless of whether they are paying heavy medical bills, putting kids through college, suffering from natural disasters etc. Special situations are one reason why the tax code is complicated. You can eliminate the complication, but by doing so (like in the examples above) you make it horribly unfair.
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And people with kids in college, etc., shouldn't have to pay for their fair share of the cost of government? Sorry, you decided to have kids and send them to college shouldn't give you a pass on paying taxes. They use MORE government in the case natural disasters. Clearly we disagree on what constitutes "fair". Bring back the flat, non-progressive tax I say.
 
Chaos said:
How can he makes a sales tax progressive?
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If the sales clerk thinks you are dressed well then you get charged more in tax. If you look like a bum then a small tax is charged.

Cain and his ridiculous 999 plan.
 
MaGZ said:
If the sales clerk thinks you are dressed well then you get charged more in tax. If you look like a bum then a small tax is charged.
Cain and his ridiculous 999 plan.
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Of course, this nonsense simply doesn't happen.
 
MaGZ said:
Not saying you are wrong, but I found it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_and_mark_of_Cain

"Because the name Cain (or qayin in Hebrew, meaning spear)"
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Thank you for that. My source is Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. Looking not only on the wikipedia site of your link, but a number of others, I got both "spear" and "smith," as well as the answer that it was derived from the verb qanah, meaning "to get" or "to create," from Eve's declaration, "I have gotten a man with Yahweh."
 
Neally said:
And people with kids in college, etc., shouldn't have to pay for their fair share of the cost of government? Sorry, you decided to have kids and send them to college shouldn't give you a pass on paying taxes. They use MORE government in the case natural disasters. Clearly we disagree on what constitutes "fair". Bring back the flat, non-progressive tax I say.
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Education helps this country. What you are proposing would lead to a lot more ignorant people in this country because they couldn't afford college. If you want a recipe for turning the US into a third-world country, making them stupid is the main ingredient.

And are you suggesting that very sick people are shirking their duty to support the government by having high medical bills? Pay your taxes first, you slackers, if you wind up with no money for your cancer treatment, remember it was you who decided to get sick.

This is the problem with simplistic solutions. They only appeal to simple people.
 
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TimCallahan said:
Thank you for that. My source is Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. Looking not only on the wikipedia site of your link, but a number of others, I got both "spear" and "smith," as well as the answer that it was derived from the verb qanah, meaning "to get" or "to create," from Eve's declaration, "I have gotten a man with Yahweh."
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I might point out that, in his "Antiquities of the Jews," Josephus refres to Cain as "a man much intent on getting."

He was an arrogant yuppie and couldn't bear the fact that his humble shepherd brother gained favor with God for the thanks he gave for God's provenance, but God was not impressed with what Cain shaped with his own hands or wrested from the ground by the sweat of his brow.
 
Neally said:
And people with kids in college, etc., shouldn't have to pay for their fair share of the cost of government? Sorry, you decided to have kids and send them to college shouldn't give you a pass on paying taxes. They use MORE government in the case natural disasters. Clearly we disagree on what constitutes "fair".
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Educated people create the wealth that the investor class leaches need to exploit.
 
Chaos said:
How can he makes a sales tax progressive?
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Cain's website says that Phase II will use The Fair Tax plan. Under that plan, the sales tax would be 23% (but apply only to services and new products being sold to end users).

The plan assumes that someone making $24,800 is spending his or her entire salary in such a way that every dollar earned is taxed. The government then sends that person quarterly or monthly checks equal to 23% of $24,800. People earning less than that receive larger checks so that everyone below that level has a negative tax rate. At $14,700, the tax rate becomes -23%. People earning more than that also receive checks - but the amount is smaller - someone earning $58,800 ends up with an effective tax rate of %11.

Those making $235,000 end up with a rate of 20% and those making $914,000 end up with a rate of 23%.

A little complicated but it does meet the definition of a progressive tax plan.
 
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Tricky said:
Education helps this country.
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And education helps themselves. A lot of things contribute to society. Trying to reward everything good and penalize everything bad ends up with the tax code mess that we now have.

What you are proposing would lead to a lot more ignorant people in this country because they couldn't afford college.
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Seriously doubtful. We have all the occupy wall street nuts now complaining how they can't get a job with their degrees.

And are you suggesting that very sick people are shirking their duty to support the government by having high medical bills?
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Not by having medical bills, but giving them a break when clearly they still have the same government benefits as everyone else, is shirking.

Pay your taxes first, you slackers, if you wind up with no money for your cancer treatment, remember it was you who decided to get sick.
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Straw.
 
bikerdruid said:
Funny, that those who consider education as a liability rather than an investment, tend to have less education.
(This is sometimes demonstrated by poor grammar.)
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It's a shame your education didn't help you more with reading comprehension.
 
Neally said:
And education helps themselves. A lot of things contribute to society. Trying to reward everything good and penalize everything bad ends up with the tax code mess that we now have.
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Ignoring things that help society is a good way to make that society fail. I find that having a healthy society is a little more important than having a simple tax code. YMMV.

Neally said:
Seriously doubtful. We have all the occupy wall street nuts now complaining how they can't get a job with their degrees.
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Why don't you do a little research on "employment" versus "level of education". Let me know what you find.

Neally said:
Not by having medical bills, but giving them a break when clearly they still have the same government benefits as everyone else, is shirking.
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That makes no sense. It would essentially sentence poor people to death if they got ill. That doesn't bother you even a little? Are you really that cruel?
 
Tricky said:
That makes no sense. It would essentially sentence poor people to death if they got ill. That doesn't bother you even a little? Are you really that cruel?
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Appeal to emotion noted. Medical bills suck, but the rent and utility bills still come due, oh and the cost of running the government too.
 
Ladewig said:
Cain's website says that Phase II will use The Fair Tax plan. Under that plan, the sales tax would be 23% (but apply only to services and new products being sold to end users).

The plan assumes that someone making $24,800 is spending his or her entire salary in such a way that every dollar earned is taxed. The government then sends that person quarterly or monthly checks equal to 23% of $24,800. People earning less than that receive larger checks so that everyone below that level has a negative tax rate. At $14,700, the tax rate becomes -23%. People earning more than that also receive checks - but the amount is smaller - someone earning $58,800 ends up with an effective tax rate of %11.

Those making $235,000 end up with a rate of 20% and those making $914,000 end up with a rate of 23%.

A little complicated but it does meet the definition of a progressive tax plan.
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With the exception that someone making $914,000 doesn't spend all of their money on goods and services. It's a dumb plan.
 
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