Australian Federal Election 2010

[Hallo Alfie]

The important legislation will be passed first. He could be bluffing, and he would never do a deal with the Liberals. They support Poker Machines, and are opposing his legislation.

He has said he would withdraw support for Labor if his initiatives were not adopted by his deadline.

151 Bills have been passed, 0 Bills have been blocked.

Here are some

The NBN bills.
Carbon Farming bill.
Plain Packaging for cigarettes.
National MyHospital website, to allow people to see for themselves how their hospitals are performing.
The National Disability Insurance Scheme has been announced with full bi-partisan support. It has not been passed yet, but it will be.

How many were Gillard's prior to the election?
NBN was not hers, but I would agree it is important.
Plain packaging is not important and will probably be ineffective.
Hospital website will go the way of grocerywatch and fuelwatch. And unimportant and ineffective.
And another that hasn't passed which I would place some importance on.

Sum total. Zero of Gillard's, one of importance passed. Is that the best you have to offer and what you consider "lots of important legistation"? No wonder it is easy for her to pass your muster with such low standards.

It's part of the carbon tax package, so it is going to be happening very soon. The conference just announced raising it further.

Untrue.
They had the tax forum, the made a promise about raising the tax threshold ome time in the future of we can afford it. This is not a promise, it's a maybe with some very big IFS; as usual you overexaggerate.

Because opinion polls tell us how well the government is actually running compared to what the public's opinion of the government is.

So you would listen to who? The left wing media only?

Seriously, who would you best use as a guide to how she is going? Her employers (the public) or her supporters?

 

[Wildy]

So you would listen to who? The left wing media only?

Seriously, who would you best use as a guide to how she is going? Her employers (the public) or her supporters?

Whoosh.

Perhaps you should try and understand what I actually said before asking questions.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Whoosh.

Perhaps you should try and understand what I actually said before asking questions.

I thought I had understood, my mistake. Perhaps you were unclear, would you care to try again?

 

[Hallo Alfie]

For AUP/

An opinion piece from the Drum about the tax forum. There's a little snippet about the tax threshold too. Here's the summary from

The predictable and pointless tax forum

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3336988.html:

So was it a case of outcomes, outcomes, outcomes? No.
Was anything at all achieved from the assembly of human capital in Parliament House? Probably not, since the issue of the carry-forward of losses by companies was already under active consideration by the Government. And, let's face it, the states have been talking about harmonising their taxes since Adam was a boy. The proposed small increase in the tax-free threshold is, for the moment, on hold - until more affordable times emerge, some time in the future.​

On hold, until affordable, sometime, ....somewhere ... over the rainbow.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

The ABC is having a poll at the moment:

Are you convinced by Kevin Rudd's denials of leadership aspirations?

63% No.
37% Yes.

And this is the ABC Drum crowd.
There must be lots of left wingers too listening to Abbott's rants.

Actually I think they hear Kevin loud and clear.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/thedrum/polls/

 

[a_unique_person]

For AUP/

An opinion piece from the Drum about the tax forum. There's a little snippet about the tax threshold too. Here's the summary from

The predictable and pointless tax forum

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3336988.html:

So was it a case of outcomes, outcomes, outcomes? No.
Was anything at all achieved from the assembly of human capital in Parliament House? Probably not, since the issue of the carry-forward of losses by companies was already under active consideration by the Government. And, let's face it, the states have been talking about harmonising their taxes since Adam was a boy. The proposed small increase in the tax-free threshold is, for the moment, on hold - until more affordable times emerge, some time in the future.​

On hold, until affordable, sometime, ....somewhere ... over the rainbow.

you still don't get it. There is an initial proposal to raise the tax free threshold significantly, that has nothing to do with the tax forum. Nothing at all. It is going in as part of the package of tax reform that includes the carbon tax and also cuts business tax. There is also a proposal to raise the tax free threshold further, that was raised at the forum, that is completely seperate.

 

[a_unique_person]

He has said he would withdraw support for Labor if his initiatives were not adopted by his deadline.



How many were Gillard's prior to the election?
NBN was not hers, but I would agree it is important.
Plain packaging is not important and will probably be ineffective.
Hospital website will go the way of grocerywatch and fuelwatch. And unimportant and ineffective.
And another that hasn't passed which I would place some importance on.

Sum total. Zero of Gillard's, one of importance passed. Is that the best you have to offer and what you consider "lots of important legistation"? No wonder it is easy for her to pass your muster with such low standards.



Untrue.
They had the tax forum, the made a promise about raising the tax threshold ome time in the future of we can afford it. This is not a promise, it's a maybe with some very big IFS; as usual you overexaggerate.



So you would listen to who? The left wing media only?

Seriously, who would you best use as a guide to how she is going? Her employers (the public) or her supporters?

There have been at least 159 bills passed, none defeated.
The Hospital watch web site isn't being opposed by the big business forces, so that is why it has already passed.

 

[Wildy]

I thought I had understood, my mistake. Perhaps you were unclear, would you care to try again?

Why not re-read what I said more carefully. Perhaps you should imagine one of those "rolleyes" smilies at the end of the sentence or something?

 

[Hallo Alfie]

There have been at least 159 bills passed, none defeated.
The Hospital watch web site isn't being opposed by the big business forces, so that is why it has already passed.

In other words, nothing of consequence has passed and nothing of Gillard's. She came to power promising to fix the problems 'the good government that had lost its way' had created. These were: The mining tax, the carbon (dioxide) tax and the asylum seekers.

None done. Great work.

Why not re-read what I said more carefully. Perhaps you should imagine one of those "rolleyes" smilies at the end of the sentence or something?

Nope I'm still lost if my initial response is somehow not relevant. Please have another try.

 

[a_unique_person]

In other words, nothing of consequence has passed and nothing of Gillard's. She came to power promising to fix the problems 'the good government that had lost its way' had created. These were: The mining tax, the carbon (dioxide) tax and the asylum seekers.

None done. Great work.



Nope I'm still lost if my initial response is somehow not relevant. Please have another try.

No one can fix the Asylum Seeker problem. Can you stop the war in Afghanistan. John Howard started it, he didn't seem to make a good job of it. He's long gone, and we are still fighting it. The US was taking part in it too, but decided that, rather than win that war, we would all be better off starting another war in Iraq. So, we get a steady stream of refugees.

The 'lost way' was putting the Carbon scheme on hold in the first place. Bad idea.

 

[Wildy]

Nope I'm still lost if my initial response is somehow not relevant. Please have another try.

What I wrote was pretty straightforward, if you can't understand that then that's your problem not mine.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

No one can fix the Asylum Seeker problem.

Julia said she could. And for all intents and purposes is was fixed until she and Rudd dismantled the Pacific solition.

The 'lost way' was putting the Carbon scheme on hold in the first place. Bad idea.

That was only one of the reasons.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

What I wrote was pretty straightforward, if you can't understand that then that's your problem not mine.

I thought it was straightforward too, you said otherwise, so I will ask my question again.

Who should we listen to in terms of whether the worst prime minister in Australia's history is doing a good job or not? If not her employers, who?

 

[a_unique_person]

Did you go to the Andrew Bolt school of JAQing?

She is not the worst Prime Minister in Australia's history, just more asinine assertions. The worst PM was without a doubt Billy McMahon.

She got the job when it was a two way race between her and Abbott. It was always going to be tough, and so far every piece of legislation presented to the house has passed. Don't forget that Alfie. In that time when the job was open, and the Conservatives had a natural advantage, Gillard won and Abbott lost.

The illusion is all the work of Abbott and his endless bluster and rhetoric. That's all he's got. Fine for trolling, but when it comes time to actually achieving something, like forming government, he fails.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

She is not the worst Prime Minister in Australia's history, just more asinine assertions. The worst PM was without a doubt Billy McMahon.

In your opinion. Mine is different and I have some facts to support it. I couldn't help but laugh out loud when you say my opinion is an assinine assertion, and then make your own. Perhaps you were being ironic, but I doubt it.

- So far she has managed to implement nothing she set out to achieve,
-has managed to pass a lot of nonconsequential bills
- is trying to pass others that the public do not want and will hurt us economically and cost jobs.
- She has single handedly alienated herself and her party from the public which weakens our democracy as a whole (we need two strong parties in a two party system).
- Has abandoned Labor party principles and managed to help every state in Australia move to (or towards) a coalition government.
- She knifed an existing PM because of a policy she pushed on that PM (do you remember who told Rudd to abandon the carbon tax? Hmmm?).
- Has some of the worst polling results in history and under her leadership her party will be all but wiped out at the next election.

Perhaps McMahon was worse, it's hard for me to tell given I was only a young child. But for you to have to run back that far confirms how bad she actually is. Cheers.

 

[a_unique_person]

Perhaps McMahon was worse, it's hard for me to tell given I was only a young child. But for you to have to run back that far confirms how bad she actually is. Cheers.

??? That is a logical fail. The worst is function of how bad a PM is, not a period of time.

Abbott failed right at the start, with the negotiations with the independents, Gillard succeeded.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

??? That is a logical fail. The worst is function of how bad a PM is, not a period of time.

Abbott failed right at the start, with the negotiations with the independents, Gillard succeeded.

He's not the PM.
And by your reckoning she is the worst in some 45 years. Cheers again.

He is however doing very very well in opposition. I am pretty certain that in his job description is to bring the coalition to power. As it stands today he is mon target. Bear in mind too, that there has not ever (I think - and will stand corrected) a government ousted after only one term - he came so very close to doing that against all expectations. Remember too that before he came to the leadership the coalition were unelectable under Turnbull.

He is succesful by many measures. She is an abject failure and forgettable exsperiment.

Worst PM ever!

 

[a_unique_person]

He's not the PM.
And by your reckoning she is the worst in some 45 years. Cheers again.

He is however doing very very well in opposition. I am pretty certain that in his job description is to bring the coalition to power. As it stands today he is mon target. Bear in mind too, that there has not ever (I think - and will stand corrected) a government ousted after only one term - he came so very close to doing that against all expectations. Remember too that before he came to the leadership the coalition were unelectable under Turnbull.

He is succesful by many measures. She is an abject failure and forgettable exsperiment.

Worst PM ever!

You still fail the basic rules of logic. By saying that Billy is the worst, I am not saying that Gillard is the next worst at all. Next worst would be Howard.

 

[Wildy]

I thought it was straightforward too, you said otherwise, so I will ask my question again.

Who should we listen to in terms of whether the worst prime minister in Australia's history is doing a good job or not? If not her employers, who?

I don't get it, you accept that what I said was straightforward and yet you simultaneously fail to understand what I said.

Your question is irrelevant to what I said.

 

[Wildy]

You still fail the basic rules of logic. By saying that Billy is the worst, I am not saying that Gillard is the next worst at all. Next worst would be Howard.

Under what basis would you consider Howard to be the next worst leader?