Merged Psychological conditions are illusory

Jonesboy said:
Altzheimers is a problem.

Therefore, we say that there is a problem with their brain.
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There is a problem with their brain. Therefore altzheimers is a problem.
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Alzheimer's is caused by a problem in the brain, one that is understood to an extent and different from what causes other problems. We label the effects of that cause "Alzheimer's."

Do you think we should label it something else? Or are you just against giving things names?

Do you reject that there are different types of diabetes that have different causes too?
 
If this is an issue of eugenics, then pressumably jonesboy can back up his assertion with some reasonable evidence that persons currently diagnosed as autistic (whatever that means) are, because of that diagnosis, being culled from the breeding population. That's what eugenics is about.

Jonesboy, do you have evidence of this, or some statistics to back up an assertion that persons currently considered autistic are by some agency being removed from the gene pool in greater numbers or with greater efficiency than was the case before autism was defined or "invented?"
 
Jonesboy said:
Don't understand.
Anyway, I can't multipost. There is no button for it that works.
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Scroll down. See the posts at the bottom of the screen? The whole thread's there. You can copy and paste that stuff. See the quote brackets that get added when you quote someone? They work just as well if you type them in. You just have to keep your thoughts organized, and make sure you're quoting honestly. Use that as an excuse to misrepresent what someone said, misattribute posts, or score cheap points, and we're all over you like a cheap suit.
 
bruto said:
If this is an issue of eugenics, then pressumably jonesboy can back up his assertion with some reasonable evidence that persons currently diagnosed as autistic (whatever that means) are, because of that diagnosis, being culled from the breeding population. That's what eugenics is about.

Jonesboy, do you have evidence of this, or some statistics to back up an assertion that persons currently considered autistic are by some agency being removed from the gene pool in greater numbers or with greater efficiency than was the case before autism was defined or "invented?"
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That's a good point. I'd like to point out as well, that this requires proof that they're removed from the breeding population as a matter of policy, by someone or something with authority to actually make it happen. IIRC Temple Grandin (for example) has stated that she does not intend to reproduce, but that's not eugenics, just personal preference. No one is stopping her. Likewise, some pundit saying 'those people shouldn't breed' has no force on what people actually do. Point at an actual, verified, 'sterilize the autistic' law, or (and) quit making stuff up.
 
Jonesboy said:
Because we identify people as a condition.
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Jonesboy said:
Yeh.
did you know, by the way, that american slaves were the first to be diagnosed with ADHD after they made a run for it?
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I sure would like to see evidence for this assertion.

Jonesboy said:
Don't understand.
Anyway, I can't multipost. There is no button for it that works.
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Jonesboy, what browser are you using? Multiquoting certainly works for me with Firefox, and always has. Maybe your browser has a problem. Well, not exactly a problem but we make up silly privileged syndrome names for things that don't work.

Try it again, just as a test. When you see a post you want to add to the list of posts you quote, hit the multiquote button on the lower right, in between the quote and reply buttons. Nothing will happen yet. Continue to do this until you have pushed the button for each of the posts you want to multiquote. If you push the "Post Reply" button, your reply form should appear, with all the quoted text already entered. between quote tags. You can intersperse your own comments between the tagged quotes, and add your final semantic coup de grace at the end. As an alternative, you can push the multiquote button for all but the last post you wish to quote, and use the "quote" button for the last, which will result in the same thing but save you one button push, leaving more time to savor the triumph as you mow down your adversaries with your rapier wit and socratic finesse.

Hone your forum skillz, or get a browser that works, mate.
 
Jonesboy said:
You made my point, or showed it. Cause and symptom aren't related causally, they are the one and the same, one is a reduction of the other.

And your definition of dyslexia relied on what is in question - condition.
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YOu're just playing with words.

I've read plenty of accounts of physical injuries, for example injuries to the brain, causing symptoms, such as the inability to speak. Are you saying that the injury and the inability to speak are one and the same?
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
That's a good point. I'd like to point out as well, that this requires proof that they're removed from the breeding population as a matter of policy, by someone or something with authority to actually make it happen. IIRC Temple Grandin (for example) has stated that she does not intend to reproduce, but that's not eugenics, just personal preference. No one is stopping her. Likewise, some pundit saying 'those people shouldn't breed' has no force on what people actually do. Point at an actual, verified, 'sterilize the autistic' law, or (and) quit making stuff up.
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Yes. I think that eugenics is the promotion of a perfect archetype. Old eugenics promoted that perfection by rejection and murder. New eugenics promotes it by therapy.
 
bruto said:
YOu're just playing with words.

I've read plenty of accounts of physical injuries, for example injuries to the brain, causing symptoms, such as the inability to speak. Are you saying that the injury and the inability to speak are one and the same?
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An inability to speak can only be described as an inabilty if we expect to speak.
 
Drachasor said:
Alzheimer's is caused by a problem in the brain, one that is understood to an extent and different from what causes other problems. We label the effects of that cause "Alzheimer's."

Do you think we should label it something else? Or are you just against giving things names?

Do you reject that there are different types of diabetes that have different causes too?
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But EVERY experiemce or behaviour is caused by the brain in that case. So what merit is there in saying that altzheimeres is caused by the brain?
 
Jonesboy said:
Those definitions you quoted were examples of the reasoning I was arguing against.

You can hardly, then, expect me to take them as facts, and I suppose you can't either.
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I do take them as valid definitions (the people who came up with them know more than you do about those subjects). I don't agree with much of anything you've said.
 
Jonesboy said:
But EVERY experiemce or behaviour is caused by the brain in that case. So what merit is there in saying that altzheimeres is caused by the brain?
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Every sensation or movement of the arm is caused by the arm. So what merit is there in saying that broken arms are caused by the arm?

You tell me what is the problem with the above.
 
Drachasor said:
Every sensation or movement of the arm is caused by the arm. So what merit is there in saying that broken arms are caused by the arm?

You tell me what is the problem with the above.
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The prooblem is that you have cited a problem without saying what it is.
 
FattyCatty said:
I do take them as valid definitions (the people who came up with them know more than you do about those subjects). I don't agree with much of anything you've said.
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I can tackle any thinker on the planet. I have confidence in my abilities. Don't quote a philosopher or a scientist or I will easily tear them to shreds. That's how much confidence I have in myself. Believe me.
 
Visual Purple said:
I've applied my intuition to what Jonesboy is saying--because, you know, reason is a construct of the patriarchy--and I've figured out for sure what he's saying. He's saying that all U.S. courts are admiralty courts. Yeah, to get there, you have to realize that he's misspelled a whole bunch of words. For instance, "respect" actually is a misspelling of "birth bond." If it looks like he's denying it, it's probably a misspelling of "Queen Elizabeth is a lizard person." I may not be able to supply further spelling corrections here, as I have to take my mumraths for a walk. Sorry.
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Isn't spelling funny? I'll promote you to adjutant.
 
Jonesboy said:
The prooblem is that you have cited a problem without saying what it is.
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Problem in the first case: Alzheimer's.
Problem in the second case: Broken bone.

Alzheimer's is what we call a specific problem in the brain and it has specific symptoms. This is a type of dementia, but it is distinct from other types of dementia like Parkinson's, ALS, etc. What's gone wrong in the brain has some behavioral similarities, but it is distinct upon examination of both behavior and the patient's brain itself.

Just like say, a compound fracture of the radius is a specific problem in the arm with specific symptoms. It is a type of damage to the bone, but distinct from a simple fracture, osteoporosis, etc.
 
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