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Anders Lindman said:
I have seen several videos before with lunar modules docking. And they all have that impossible motion of instant rotation stops. Maybe some of the later Apollo mission have videos showing more realistic motion, but the videos I have seen have had that kind of incredible motion of the lunar lander.
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Fine, present some.

Bet it is a combination of your lack of understanding of the DAC camera, and the way the RCS system works.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I know that it should NOT behave like that in space. That's enough for me.
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What qualifies you to make such a statement?

In other words, Why should we take your "word" about how things "should" behave in space, when you have previously demonstrated a COLOSSAL ignorance regarding all things space related?


Never mind...the question answers itself.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I have seen several videos before with lunar modules docking. And they all have that impossible motion of instant rotation stops. Maybe some of the later Apollo mission have videos showing more realistic motion, but the videos I have seen have had that kind of incredible motion of the lunar lander.
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Ever operated a LM in zero G? No? Then shut the hell up about things you know nothing about.
 
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Belz... said:
Jay, would you mind using the quote function properly ? It's hard to follow your posts.
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I apologize. I've been formatting my replies like that for about ten years on this and similar software (though not at this forum). There is, somewhere on BAUT, a lengthy thread discussing why I do this, but the distilled version is that I feel the "heavyweight" quotation graphics undermine what I intend in the flow of my statements; people don't actually read what's in the quotes, we've discovered. Nevertheless I will take greater care.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I have seen several videos before with lunar modules docking. And they all have that impossible motion of instant rotation stops. Maybe some of the later Apollo mission have videos showing more realistic motion, but the videos I have seen have had that kind of incredible motion of the lunar lander.
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See, here is the thing.

When you saw that, you screamed "FAKE".

When I saw that, I quietly said "Now why should that be?"
 
R.A.F. said:
Ever operated a LM in zero G? No? Then shut the hell up about things you know nothing about.
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Momentum and inertia still remain in zero gravity. And the lunar module would not have been able to stop rotations instantly like that in space using thrusters to control it. Admit that it's a direct proof of a hoax.
 
Belz... said:
Jay, would you mind using the quote function properly ? It's hard to follow your posts.
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In deference to Jay's post, I just don't see that. I've been "following" Jay's postings for almost a decade, and don't have any problem "following", whatsoever.

Just my "2 cents" worth.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Momentum and inertia still remain in zero gravity. And the lunar module would not have been able to stop rotations instantly like that in space using thrusters to control it.
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Why do you keep saying that? Do you understand that we don't consider your ignorant opinion as having any validity?

Admit that it's a direct proof of a hoax.
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How cute...ignorant hoax believer thinks he can "bully" his way, and make others accept his fantasy world.

Sorry, but we're not as ignorant as you would like us to be.

Try again.
 
R.A.F. said:
Why do you keep saying that? Do you understand that we don't consider your ignorant opinion as having any validity?



How cute...ignorant hoax believer thinks he can "bully" his way, and make others accept his fantasy world.

Sorry, but we're not as ignorant as you would like us to be.

Try again.
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We? Is this some cult forum or something like that?
 
Anders Lindman said:
Momentum and inertia still remain in zero gravity. And the lunar module would not have been able to stop rotations instantly like that in space using thrusters to control it. Admit that it's a direct proof of a hoax.
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I'm confused. Which mission did Einstein fly the LM? What does it have to do with CERN?
 
Anders Lindman said:
I have seen several videos before with lunar modules docking. And they all have that impossible motion of instant rotation stops.
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Why is it impossible?

The RCS was sized for a 17-ton fully-loaded LM composed of an ascent and a descent stage. It is composed of 100-lbf Marquardt steering jets, typically operating in tandem or quad, on large outriggers to lengthen the moment arm.

The videos you're seeing are of the 2,500-lbm ascent stage only, largely depleted of its main-engine fuel (the most massive portion). Please be so kind as to compute your best guess of the difference in moment of inertia between those two configurations.

In fact the RCS is so overpowered for the final stages of LM ascent that it has to be operated in "pulse" mode or else you get control overshoot. So please think carefully and quantitatively before you start saying that the LM's smart movements are "impossible" in this case.

Second, the 16mm film camera that was used to capture the ascent of the LM was operating at 6 frames per second instead of the normal 24. That's so that it could work unattended during the whole ascent and rendezvous procedure, whereas otherwise it would need a new film magazine every 10 minutes. 6 fps is perfectly adequate to document a gently rendezvousing spacecraft, but it means that what you see on the film is the action happening four times faster than it did in real life. So what you see on the film is artificially abrupt.
 
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