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Perhaps you can tell us where this specific story has been cited by anyone, naming the books or articles and page references which reference Mueller's account of despairing and then being persuaded to live by Czech Jewish girls. And it'd help to then specify what discipline the authors were working in.

"Account of despairing and then being persuaded to live by Czech Jewish girls?" More like two preteen girls, buck naked except for a gold chain worn by one that the evil Nazis hadn't bothered to confiscate, calmly resigned to their fate who learned through telepathy that an adult man whom they had never met had chosen to commit suicide and determined that he must live to bear witness, dragged him against his will and against the stream of hundreds of terrified Jews being forced into a gas chamber, to the entrance and threw him out.


I can save you some time and say that it's not referenced in Van Pelt, Pressac, in the Auschwitz Museum five volume work, or in Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. It's not in Hilberg, Friedlander or Longerich. Some of these authors cite from Mueller on other issues, but they haven't picked this particular story.

Filip Mueller didn't preface this particular passage with an "OK, here's where I'm lying." and then tell us "OK, here's where I start telling the truth" when he gets to the passages quoted by historians. When you have source that mixes obvious fantasy with what might be the truth in a book that pretends to tell the whole truth, it's better to pass on that source and find one that doesn't do that.

Maybe this particular story isn't quoted by holocaust historians but leaving out the ◊◊◊◊◊◊t crazy utterances of holocaust witnesses when quoting them is par for the course.


Perhaps you can also direct us to where in your imaginary handbook of Rules of Evidence there is a section on how to cite memoirs and what one must do to decide which bits of a 200 page memoir must be included or taken into consideration.

I would ask the same of you. How much much of a witness' testimony can be fantastical before the entire testimony is considered unreliable?


Or maybe it's just easier to realise that when you have an uncorroborated story from an eyewitness, it is entirely a matter of personal choice whether you include it, or not; and whether you believe it, or not. The catch is that an uncorroborated story can neither be refuted nor proven.

Arguing about such a story is tantamount to arguing about angels on a pinhead. It's tedious, pointless and only makes the moron using argument to incredulity look very silly indeed.

When will you clowns realise that there is more to the evidence than grazing over a published memoir and picking out something you find to be unbelievable.

Arguments to incredulity are quite effective when witness statements are in fact incredible. In a modern court a witness doesn't have to tell too many lies before their entire testimony is unreliable. I know that lying by holocaust eyewitnesses is tolerated to a greater degree. There is the attitude, expressed by one participant on another board, that: "I have a personal rule, which many other also have, that I will not question the veracity of a survivor's account - this is the reality that they recall they lived through."

But that's because the holocaust is held to a different st.....Oh, never mind.
 
I know that lying by holocaust eyewitnesses is tolerated to a greater degree.

Tolerated? Elie Wiesel got a Nobel Prize and was appointed director of the USHMM for his absurd and degenerate lies. A. Bomba was featured in a Israeli movie of holohoax victims for his absurd and degenerate lies. Filip Meuller was called the single Jewish witness of the holohoax by the director of Yad Vashem for his absurd and degenerate lies. Steven Spielberg was given an Academy Award for his movie featuring the absurd and degenerate lies of Irene Zisblatt, among others. Tolerated is not the word you're looking for.
 
The lies are the hoax. Pointing them out is direct evidence of the hoax.


Indeed. Which is why I continually point out your lie of the Jewish conspiracy which controls all media everywhere.


And, you cannot provide one credible Jewish witness, because there are none.


I'm still waiting for your one credible witness of this Jewish control of all media everywhere. Your inability to provide such speaks volumes.


Her lies, and the fact that the entire hoax establishment promulgated them, directly demonstrate that the holocaust is a complete hoax.


Saggy's lies, omissions, and failure to provide even a shred of evidence for his claim that Jews control all media everywhere directly demonstrate his claim is a complete hoax.
 
Saggy's lies, omissions, and failure to provide even a shred of evidence for his claim that Jews control all media everywhere directly demonstrate his claim is a complete hoax.

Perhaps he should change his username to Saggyhoax.

It would be more appropriate.
 
Perhaps he should change his username to Saggyhoax.

It would be more appropriate.

You are probably not noticing it, but maybe you hit the truth with that one.

Think about it: Saggy never answers any challenges put to him. He always repeats the same crap about Wiernik or Wiesel and even through he randomly quotes posts by others, he never comments on the arguments presented in them, instead he again just repeats all the crap about Wiesel and Wiernik.
Can you imagine someone being that stupid? I sure don't. And have you ever seen his birth certificate? Or can you present one credible witness, that knows saggy in real life? No? And what about Wiesel?

Well, that finally proves it: HE is a hoax and just a bot on endless repeat, created by a huge conspiracy of jews..., eh I mean zionists. :D
 
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Tolerated? Elie Wiesel got a Nobel Prize and was appointed director of the USHMM for his absurd and degenerate lies. A. Bomba was featured in a Israeli movie of holohoax victims for his absurd and degenerate lies. Filip Meuller was called the single Jewish witness of the holohoax by the director of Yad Vashem for his absurd and degenerate lies. Steven Spielberg was given an Academy Award for his movie featuring the absurd and degenerate lies of Irene Zisblatt, among others. Tolerated is not the word you're looking for.

That's it in a nutshell.
 
Sounds like a veiled threat of violence.

Sorry it seems that way...how about this...

Saggyhoax is an intellectual coward.

Somehow, not much better, but it "is" accurate.

My "point" is it takes no "courage" to post garbage, anonymously...understand??
 
Sorry it seems that way...how about this...

Saggyhoax is an intellectual coward.

Somehow, not much better, but it "is" accurate.

My "point" is it takes no "courage" to post garbage, anonymously...understand??

Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
Tolerated? Elie Wiesel got a Nobel Prize and was appointed director of the USHMM for his absurd and degenerate lies. A. Bomba was featured in a Israeli movie of holohoax victims for his absurd and degenerate lies. Filip Meuller was called the single Jewish witness of the holohoax by the director of Yad Vashem for his absurd and degenerate lies. Steven Spielberg was given an Academy Award for his movie featuring the absurd and degenerate lies of Irene Zisblatt, among others.


What part of the above is untrue?
 
Originally Posted by Saggy View Post
Tolerated? Elie Wiesel got a Nobel Prize and was appointed director of the USHMM for his absurd and degenerate lies. A. Bomba was featured in a Israeli movie of holohoax victims for his absurd and degenerate lies. Filip Meuller was called the single Jewish witness of the holohoax by the director of Yad Vashem for his absurd and degenerate lies. Steven Spielberg was given an Academy Award for his movie featuring the absurd and degenerate lies of Irene Zisblatt, among others.

What part of the above is untrue?

I highlighted the lies for you.
 
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaand CM again whines about lies which neither zie nor Saggs bother to even try to prove while ignoring the knowing untruths in posts by zie zirself, Saggs and DZ -- and from which they all continue to run.

Has someone spoon fed you something on THHP which you can distort into being a lie on their part?
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The lies are the hoax. Pointing them out is direct evidence of the hoax.

You are faced with ignoring the lies of Wiesel, Bomba, Rosenberg, Wiernik, Meuller, et al., because they are obvious. And, you cannot provide one credible Jewish witness, because there are none.

And, when the lies are vetted by the entire holocaust establishment, they indict the whole establishment. Zisblatts lies were vetted by Yad Vashem, the USHMM, professors Berenbaum and others I won't bother to look up, and the Motion Picture Academy when it gave Spielberg the Academy Award. Her lies, and the fact that the entire hoax establishment promulgated them, directly demonstrate that the holocaust is a complete hoax.
You have to ignore material like the Auschwitz trial, Nick's 200 witnesses, my handful of witnesses, and so on . . . to enable you to make these absurd claims.
 
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It is so easy for you to anonymously post that...why not try saying that to a survivor, in person...

...or are you a coward?

Last time a person called Eric Hunt attempted doing that he was arrested and tried on a charge of kidnapping and assault.

Send me a "survivor" and I will happily tell them that tales of gas chambers are falsifications - and will demonstrate it to them.

But I am not going to chase these senile citizens down.
 
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Send me a "survivor" and I will happily tell them that tales of gas chambers are falsifications - and will demonstrate it to them.
As per normal, you missed the point about "anonymous" unless your real name is, indeed, Little Grey Rabbit. Do we look up L.G.Rabbit in the Melbourne White pages or just send a survivor to visit you at the Albert Road Clinic?
 
As per normal, you missed the point about "anonymous" unless your real name is, indeed, Little Grey Rabbit. Do we look up L.G.Rabbit in the Melbourne White pages or just send a survivor to visit you at the Albert Road Clinic?

On the positive side at least most of them wouldn't have far to travel!

Does a "survivor" of gas chambers seriously want to have a chat? Once you dredged up one sufficiently mentally competent, rational and polite, we could consider it.
 
I dare say Mr. Eric "Rhymes With" Hunt did more than just "approach" Mr. Wiesel.
 
Lest there is any debate on what Eric "Rhymes With" Hunt actually did.

Dude's a loony.
 

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