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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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bolint said:
As for the verdict...

Some of the faults the prosecution committed:

- The prosecution's attitude towards the experts and judge clearly backfired.
Those DNA evidences were indeed problematic and in order to keep them alive they should have fully and voluntarily cooperated with the experts, instead of trying to obstruct them thereby infuriating the judge.

- The last ditch comment or action against Zanetti was silly and counter-productive.

- Basically, their theory of the three committing the murder together failed. From the very beginning to the end of the appeal trial the prosecution could not give a credible story of how the three had got together, even Massei rejected their version, but he also failed in trying to create a credible three-murderer scenario.

- They were obsessed with the assumption that Amanda was the main perpetrator and this obstructed the investigation and the reconstruction.
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Nice analysis, bolint.

The demonization of the Witchgirl was probably not very helpful either.

And of course, the fact that Raffaele and Knox were innocent was the prosecution's biggest mistake.

The choice of the kitchen utensil as a murder weapon required a suspension of skepticism.
 
KoihimeNakamura said:
*facepalm* Until those people get into positions of power, do they really matter? For that mater, is there a reason why you g.. don't answer that. Look, if PMF disgusts you, don't look. That bloody simple.
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PMF, before it metastasized, was the go-to resource for translations, photographs and other documents pertaining to the crime. TJMK still rates pretty well in google searches. To the extent 'those people' played a role in the trial, they absolutely did matter. PMF in particular dispatched its minions to copy-paste misinformation under nearly every article devoted to the trial. Some even bragged of having Mignini's ear. Countering loony theories is kind of the entire point of skepticism, and it's impossible to do so without fact-checking the people who are spreading them.

Why does it matter to you whether we choose to heap scorn on people who have so little regard for truth and rational thought?
 
I feel most sorry for Merideth.
Next for AK/RS and their families.
I'm torn when it comes to the Kerchers. They've been duped by a witch hunt mentality and while I find fault with that, I can understand why they succumbed.
 
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Kercher family holding 2nd press conference. I had no idea. No translator on Fox, switching to CNN and they have one.:)

Lyle Kercher states they feel they are back to square one and feel since higher court ruled RG didn't act alone who are the other suspects since RS and AK have been acquitted.
 
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UnrepentantSinner said:
I feel most sorry for Merideth.
Next for AK/RS and their families.
I'm torn when it comes to the Kertchers. They've been duped by a witch hunt mentality and while I find fault with that, I can understand why they succumbed.
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The statement they put out about trusting the Italian justice system and hoping the truth will eventually emerge is rather sad. They are confused because they put their trust in people that were not worthy of trust.
 
Couple of questions if I may...

The Kerchers are saying there were two knives used which means more than one attacker. Did the Prosecution prove the case for 2 knives?

Also, do we know the means for Knox's transport home? Wonder if the talk about a private jet was just a last-ditched attempt at a slur to sway the Jury.
 
It seems harsh to say it, but just like the guilters, the Kerchers' purported inability to understand why the decision was overturned, betrays either lack a decent knowledge of the facts of the case or are they not blessed with the required powers of logic.
 
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misteratunta said:
It seems harsh to say it, but just like the guilters, the Kerchers' purported inability to understand why the decision was overturned, betrays either lack a decent knowledge of the facts of the case or are not blessed with the required powers of logic.
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I have much compassion and sympathy for the family and how they have been misled by Maresca. However, blind faith leads you to this sort of WTF moment...
 
RoseMontague said:
fact that Raffaele and Knox were innocent
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up to reasonable doubt.


The choice of the kitchen utensil as a murder weapon required a suspension of skepticism.
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Yes, it was pushed beyond what it could have proved even accepting the lab results that the victim DNA was on it.
Even if it were involved in the case it is not necessarily the murder weapon.
 
CNN
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Lyle,
Fair enough, mutual respect for the two families, forgiveness for something that is not admitted is not necessary, wait for the report for understanding.
Sister
We don't know the truth. 90 days read the report.

Perhaps they should have instructed their lawyer to search for the truth rather than fight for the prosecutions version of the truth. Just saying.
 
Keeper said:
Couple of questions if I may...

The Kerchers are saying there were two knives used which means more than one attacker. Did the Prosecution prove the case for 2 knives?

Also, do we know the means for Knox's transport home? Wonder if the talk about a private jet was just a last-ditched attempt at a slur to sway the Jury.
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What they proved was that the kitchen utensil selected as the murder weapon could not have caused all the knife wounds. A smaller knife could have caused all the wounds. It is only if you accept the kitchen utensil as a murder weapon do you require a second knife.
 
RoseMontague said:
CNN
paraphrasing
Lyle,
Fair enough, mutual respect for the two families, forgiveness for something that is not admitted is not necessary, wait for the report for understanding.
Sister
We don't know the truth. 90 days read the report.

Perhaps they should have instructed their lawyer to search for the truth rather than fight for the prosecutions version of the truth. Just saying.
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I think he has always been working on his own agende. An ethical lawyer would have handled the situation taking into account their needs and not his own. He is spinning his BS right now...
 
Kaosium said:
Not Mignini....Massei. Mignini's plain nuts, he just makes stuff up--cheats outrageously. Massei tries to ponderously make sense of it all and call it 'logic.' Outside of that comparison I highly doubt Machiavelli's actually involved in the case.

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"When I heard president Hellman reading the verdict I was stunned before he mentioned any conclusion, not from what he said but by his trembling voice: he appeared as he was not the same person I saw during the whole trial. He always used to be energetic and humorous and spoke quickly all the times. On the reading he was stuttering, sombre, he read slowly and more than once he made pauses, two words then seconds of silence at halfway of the phrase, this before reaching the main topic of the verdict. He looked almost as he didn't feel like going on reading."

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Kaosium,

Yummi is correct about this (but not much else). There's a simple explanation for those who can connect the dots......

Besides the many prison guards and the uniformed cops there were also plainclothes cops in the courtroom, as mentioned by one of the Italian news sources. We've all seen Amanda escorted into and out of the courtroom multiple times. This time when she was escorted out, the prison guards surrounded her and they virtually ran with her out of the courtroom. Ever seen that before? 'Nuf said.

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smkovalinksy said:
Right, it was a stunning victory for the defense. Hellman basically ruled that the whole theory of Knox and Sollecito's involvement was an error and a fantasy. This is why I was shocked that CNN ran that piece tonight (I posted the link here, but no one took notice ) , saying that we will never know the truth, that Knox and Sollecito might actually have been part of the murder, etc.:mad:
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Tonight on ABC Nightline, their legal analyst, of all people, talked about how "this all may have started with Amanda's own words." I muted the TV but turned the sound back on to hear Terry Moran say, "In other words, she may have brought it on herself."

:mad::mad::mad:
 
Keeper said:
Couple of questions if I may...

The Kerchers are saying there were two knives used which means more than one attacker. Did the Prosecution prove the case for 2 knives?

Also, do we know the means for Knox's transport home? Wonder if the talk about a private jet was just a last-ditched attempt at a slur to sway the Jury.
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1) No, unfortunately the Kerchers remain sadly deluded. The Hellmann motivation report will almost certainly state that in their opinion only one knife was used.

2) Sky News is currently reporting an ANSA wire report that Knox and her family are at Rome airport awaiting a commercial flight to London (and presumably onward from there to Seattle). I wonder if I should head out to Heathrow to offer them a coffee.......?
 
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