Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[LivingonaPrayer]

No need for anyone to enter. The file could be accessed through internet.
It was connected to a peer-to-peer file-sharing network and Stardust was in the shared folder. So anyone in the world in that network who downloaded Stardust in that period could download some part of it from Raffaele's computer thereby changing the timestamp of Last Access.



So you seriously thought that the police entered Raffaele's house before 02:47AM on Nov 6, while the pair were being questioned, in order to modify the time stamp of Stardust?



Well, if they had said at the beginning that "We were watching Stardust" then it would have some relevance.
They did not say anything like that.

Stardust came up only late, when their own experts found that they had no proof of computer usage and had no timestamps to support their alibi.

So they tried to make use of those files that had been created before Nov 1, had Last Access timestamps after Nov 1 and tried to recycle them claiming "Oh, now I remember, we were watching just these films, unfortunately the timestamps have been overwritten".

That's how the Stardust myth was created.
But even with this practice they could only find this one film.

The only credible finding was the Naruto 21:26 opening.

You are missing a major point here. When doing a forensic analysis of any computer you take a mirror copy of the hard drive you DON'T play around on the computer. This is the first thing any first year IT tech learns. Encase only examines 3 types of timestamps not 5

 

[icerat]

I tend to dislike this "X person must be guilty because they did not act like I think they should act" business. People don't know how they would act, and it is not relevent as proof of anything anyway. After tragedies, people react in various ways. At worst, Amanda reacted in a way that was offensive to some, but she did not understand that at the time, and was trying to deal with the tragedy herself, and was not thinking about how it looked to others.

Exhibit A: Lindy Chamberlain. Convicted of murdering her child primarily because of her supposed reaction (or lack thereof), supported by bogus DNA evidence. Later exonerated of all charges.

 

[LivingonaPrayer]

I don't think anyone is accusing Amanda Knox of being a serial killer, are they? As far as we know, she only killed Meredith Kercher.



Did anyone turn cartwheels? Because, as you recall, that's what started this whole thing.

Not quite true. The three things that were noted by PLE actually were the following:

1. They ate pizza
2. La Mosa movement
3. She sobbed at the crime scene

 

[Chris_Halkides]

presumptive tests and copper ion as a catalyst

Exhibit A: Lindy Chamberlain. Convicted of murdering her child primarily because of her supposed reaction (or lack of), supported by bogus DNA evidence. Later exonerated of all charges.

There was untrustworthy blood evidence, but I think it was pre-DNA.

 

[Dougm]

I'm reading Frank's latest post to suggest that Stephanie Kercher had a fling with a Perugian cop. Am I off the mark?

I am not sure if that is what he was suggesting. When I read it, my gut said he was saying one of the cops hit on her in some way. His language seemed to indicate unwanted attention, but he was not clear.

 

[Onofarar]

Don't have to, I knew, I have been just checking it.

The Stardust Last Access time is 02:47 on Nov 6. (Massei p309)
That is one hour after the 1:45AM confession of Amanda.

At that time probably not even Mignini was aware of that confession, let alone policemen playing on the computer in Raffaele's house.

This was a defence baloney popularized by Frank.

Hi Bolint

I am replying more to your screensaver commments than the above. You do know that Raffaele is a programmer who was getting his masters in computer science when he met AK? For an accomplishd programmer, how difficult would it be to disable the screensaver's instrution to the OS to populate the screen with the screensaver wallpaper if the OS knew another program was continuously sending data to the screen? I think any programmer would tolerate maybe one such interruption before diving into the OS to create a workaround for that problem - don't you?

 

[icerat]

There was untrustworthy blood evidence, but I think it was pre-DNA.

you are correct. mea culpa.

 

[icerat]

Not quite true. The three things that were noted by PLE actually were the following:

1. They ate pizza
2. La Mosa movement
3. She sobbed at the crime scene

As mentioned I'm new to this case, so I had to google this and I found this CBS News report

wow.

Is there a link available to video footage of Giobbi telling this stuff to 48 hours?

 

[Onofarar]

Not quite true. The three things that were noted by PLE actually were the following:

1. They ate pizza
2. La Mosa movement
3. She sobbed at the crime scene

Central Scrut is far from my favorite poster on this thread but I think he was referring to the OP by Skeptical Ginger (this is the 3rd continuation of that original thread) where she posited in her OP that AK ws convicted because she turned cartwheel(s) at the police station on the night of Nov 5th.

SG did not directly state it, but her post allluded to the lack of evidence against AK (and RS) by implying that cartwheels were about the only evidence (of what?) the police had.

 

[Dan O.]

If she just met a lawyer and didn't have time to consult, I think the first thing he told her was to remain silent.

Where is Amanda supposed to have learned of her right to speak in court? Until she is fully briefed on Italian legal procedures, she would be acting by American court procedures and sit quietly unless asked to speak.

 

[bri1]

So, if we're so stupid, fancy a wager on the verdict?

No? Thought not.

Only a few more days of these tired ole 'convicted murderer' comments, yay

 

[Chris_Halkides]

It was all Greek to her

Where is Amanda supposed to have learned of her right to speak in court? Until she is fully briefed on Italian legal procedures, she would be acting by American court procedures and sit quietly unless asked to speak.

Good point. Between the language barrier and not knowing anything of Italian law, it is difficult to see how she even knew what was going on.

 

[Dougm]

Good point. Between the language barrier and not knowing anything of Italian law, it is difficult to see how she even knew what was going on.

This is fairly obvious to me what happened. Picture this -- I am 20 years old, don't speak the language, my roomate is murdered, and I spend several days trying to help the police, but then they pressure me, I get confused, and they use what I said to arrest me. My mother shows up, and almost certainly says, "that was a mistake, they obviously suspect you, stop talking, don't say anything until we can get this straightened out and get you legal advice." Which is what she should have done from the beginning. She is scared, she doesn't know who the killer is, and doesn't know what evidence they have against Lumumba, or not.

I would have kept quiet as well.

 

[smkovalinksy]

A better question. If Amanda and Raffaele staged the break in because they did the murder with Rudy, staged the scene to look like Rudy's MO, then selectively cleaned the scene to leave only Rudy's prints and DNA -- why did Amanda not accuse Rudy then, instead of Patrick?

YES: This has always been the question. She did not accuse Rudy because she wasn't there, and had no knowledge that he had been there, and she accused PL because the police jumped on the text message, and suspected she was covering for him.

 

[Fine]

Good point. Between the language barrier and not knowing anything of Italian law, it is difficult to see how she even knew what was going on.

_______________________

November 8th, 2007, before Judge Matteini.

Amanda said she was shocked to find herself charged with murder. She thought she was being held in some sort of protective custody.

Raffaele should have kept his mouth shut too. Instead, he retracted his statement that Amanda had left him. Judge Matteini then charged him with murder. Likewise for Patrick, who spoke and said he had an alibi. Judge Matteini then charged him with murder. (And charged him with co-operating with the lovebirds in staging the burglary too!)

Judge Matteini could see that they were all liars.

///

 

[JREF2010]

the Burden of the Defense

No? Thought not.

Only a few more days of these tired ole 'convicted murderer' comments, yay

Could be...you're right.

The Defense wont have an easy task, I was thinking its a strange case for them.

I think they need to focus on the Amanda and Meredith relationship..

Heres one idea...

Everyone knows Meredith and Amanda went to the Chocolate Festival together per witness and letters but the pictures are missing.
Again the Defense has NO PROOF...

I think the Defense has to prove what happened to the Chocolate Festival pictures or else they are liars.

Here's my suggestion on how they explain in great detail what happened to the Choclate Festival pictures of Amanda and Meredith smiling and having fun together.. ....

1) the police experts plugged the cables into the hardirve on pc # 1 it burnt up.

2) the police experts plugged the cables into the hardirve on pc # 2 it burnt up.

3) the police experts plugged the cables into the hardirve on pc # 3 it burnt up.

4) the police experts plugged the cables into the hardirve on pc # 4 it burnt up.

(this could backfire? hmm....because this might be the "real life experience" the police have that C&V lack...hmm? maybe think about it some more..)

 

[bri1]

This is fairly obvious to me what happened. Picture this -- I am 20 years old, don't speak the language, my roomate is murdered, and I spend several days trying to help the police, but then they pressure me, I get confused, and they use what I said to arrest me. My mother shows up, and almost certainly says, "that was a mistake, they obviously suspect you, stop talking, don't say anything until we can get this straightened out and get you legal advice." Which is what she should have done from the beginning. She is scared, she doesn't know who the killer is, and doesn't know what evidence they have against Lumumba, or not.

I would have kept quiet as well.

Well said, Dougm. Me too.

Has everyone seen this interview with John Douglas by Krista Errikson?

She begins the article saying "This article was originally supposed to be published for Il Messaggero. It was given to me as an assignment, after the editor and legal expert of the newspaper saw the Maxim interview with famed FBI profiler, John Douglas, in the January 2011 issue.
When the article was turned in, my editor told me – “this article is too dangerous to print in Italy”.

http://womanonawire.blogspot.com/2011/09/unarresting-arrested-famed-fbi-profiler.html

 

[daydreamer]

Does anyone have details on the documents/papers that the prosecution tried to sneak past Hellmann the other day?

 

[Diocletus]

Does anyone have details on the documents/papers that the prosecution tried to sneak past Hellmann the other day?

I think Mignini sat on the Xerox machine and tried to file the result. Hellmann/Zanetti noticed this and will return the favor in their Motivations.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

This is fairly obvious to me what happened. Picture this -- I am 20 years old, don't speak the language, my roomate is murdered, and I spend several days trying to help the police, but then they pressure me, I get confused, and they use what I said to arrest me. My mother shows up, and almost certainly says, "that was a mistake, they obviously suspect you, stop talking, don't say anything until we can get this straightened out and get you legal advice." Which is what she should have done from the beginning. She is scared, she doesn't know who the killer is, and doesn't know what evidence they have against Lumumba, or not.

I would have kept quiet as well.

Your claim is that convicted murderer Amanda Knox doesn't speak Italian? Really?