Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Diocletus]

Yes, but a bit of old news. This goes back to Reps198/199.

But the beauty of this now is that everyone knows that the forensics investigation was a total cluster. So we can easily believe that they screwed up or even deep-sixed the forensics analysis. The jury will be thinking: "hair/blood on the broken window? Cuts on Rudy's hand? Totally incompetent forensics examiners. Hmmm."

Get ready to hear more argument from the defense about other items that the prosecution "neglected," e.g., the semen stain.

 

[Diocletus]

BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Mig: #amandaknox collapsed during now-famous lengthy interrogation out of guilt, not pressure, he says. SHE said his name first, not us

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She . . . COLLAPSED? WTF?

Who is the Nazi here:

1) the people who are trying to get innocent people out of jail, or

2) the people who interrogate accuseds and end up with screams coming from the interrogation room.

 

[bri1]

Ere Bri1
What I see at the moment, is the prosecution are running on fresh air. the main fact is that they had nothing to start with, and they have nothing to finish with.
The lay judges are of very high education, sort of thing like LJ or your own education, their input will be the most inportent when Judge Hellman comes to his final view.
at the moment what the prosecution are doing, is trying to change the river Avon to the river Seven

Zeb, was the geographical reference because you were addressing me? If so, love it

I'm glad that many other posters are not being as affected as I obviously am by the prosecution's rubblish today.

My worry is that these people are so brazen that it might just have an impact. It reminds me of the Derren Brown TV show where he's at the racetrack - check it out if you haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk7BnW-d_Dw

 

[Chris_Halkides]

From what I can gather, Frank was hauled out and had to pay a 450 euro fine for biting an officer's hand some time ago. Think about that....

 

[bolint]

Hearing schedule fixed:

Today and tomorrow: prosecution
Monday: civil parties
Tuesday: defence (Amanda)
Wednesday: off
Thursday: defence (Raffaele)
Friday, Saturday: rebuttals
Monday (Oct 3): deliberation and probably verdict and sentencing

 

[zeb]

City and Town of Bristol

Zeb, was the geographical reference because you were addressing me? If so, love it

I'm glad that many other posters are not being as affected as I obviously am by the prosecution's rubblish today.

My worry is that these people are so brazen that it might just have an impact. It reminds me of the Derren Brown TV show where he's at the racetrack - check it out if you haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk7BnW-d_Dw

Yes I am from Bristol uk, as well.

 

[Dan O.]

I for one, would never, ever think of accusing an innocent person. Some would say, yes, I would.

As you say, it comes down to mindset. You are the one saying that Amanda did "think of accusing an innocent person". This is apparently a cornerstone of your belief. Why are you thinking she did that when such an action cannot possibly benefit her? Why are you thinking that she acted in a way that is contrary to how any moral person would act? Is it perhaps that you are judging Amanda from a presumption of guilt. I think it is time that you analyze your own mindset and see where your arguments are coming from.

 

[Grinder]

BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Mignini also focusing on media's role in case laments interviews he's given, tells jury that it's their job to ignore the spin. #amandaknox

Now that the media is seeing the truth slightly more clearly, Mignini want jurors to ignore the 'spin'. Of course, before and during the first trial, when prosecutors and police were smearing AK and RS with the complicity of the media, that was a-ok.
The hypocrisy of these people absolutely astounds me.

IIRC Mignini actually used one of the british tab stories in court. He read or quoted from the crazy story about the noise ticket she received for the loud party. The story had be debunked years prior by the actual police report which had been posted on the Seattle PI. http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle91...police-ticket-discussed-in-amanda-knox-trial/

And the dailymail story Mignini referred to in court.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-498853/The-wild-raunchy-past-Foxy-Knoxy.html

Capealadin - sorry for misspelling compliment.

 

[Dan O.]

From what I can gather, Frank was hauled out and had to pay a 450 euro fine for biting an officer's hand some time ago. Think about that....

What I want to know is did the cops come into Hellmann's court to arrest Frank?

 

[Grinder]

As you say, it comes down to mindset. You are the one saying that Amanda did "think of accusing an innocent person". This is apparently a cornerstone of your belief. Why are you thinking she did that when such an action cannot possibly benefit her? Why are you thinking that she acted in a way that is contrary to how any moral person would act? Is it perhaps that you are judging Amanda from a presumption of guilt. I think it is time that you analyze your own mindset and see where your arguments are coming from.

Dan O,

I believe that the statement naming Patrick is what most PGP base the case on. They, for whatever reasons, can't understand how anyone could do such a thing unless it was done on purpose. If she did this on purpose, to mislead the investigation, most all of all would agree that it is a very strong sign she was involved.

Once one believes the cops and that the statement was "hers" then all the changing stories and lies part of the case become viable. Without the statement episode Amanda's story was consistent with only small details at variance.

As I have said many a time, if I were the defense I would spend time on the police chief's day after statement and push the point that 12 people in there tag teaming her indicates clearly they were doing more than interviewing a witness.

It is clear that had she really preserved Rudy's evidence she would have been leading them to him not Patrick.

 

[Diocletus]

I for one, would never, ever think of accusing an innocent person.

Not to be picky or anything, but, well, how to say this? You did.

 

[bri1]

Not to be picky or anything, but, well, how to say this? You did.

Sorry, but that made me lol a little.
Cape-
If Amanda was guilty, then yes, she accused someone she knew to be innocent.

However, if she isn't, and the interrogation happened in line with 'she admitted to facts we knew to be correct', then she may have had good reason (i.e. the suspicion, and questioning of the cops) to think that Lumumba was the killer.

 

[Grinder]

The Kerchers are in court and Mignini shows the pictures of the wounds?

I don't see why they allow this but refuse independent experts on such things as the bath mat print. Imagine the print, the luminol "bloody" footprints, and the mixed DNA evidence being debunked.

Maybe the defense can bring Koko back.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

What I want to know is did the cops come into Hellmann's court to arrest Frank?

I am getting that he was hauled out of there today - is this incorrect?

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

@BLNadeau There are rumors of Frank S. beating - can you confirm?
41 minutes agovia web


Yes, he was removed from court hall by couple of officers & resisted arrest which looked a little like a scuffle. Motive unknown.
19 minutes agovia TweetDeck

 

[Dan O.]

Dan O,

I believe that the statement naming Patrick is what most PGP base the case on. They, for whatever reasons, can't understand how anyone could do such a thing unless it was done on purpose. If she did this on purpose, to mislead the investigation, most all of all would agree that it is a very strong sign she was involved.

If there had been a video of that interrogation that clearly showed Amanda's accusation of Patrick was out of the blue, I probably would not have gotten so deeply involved in this case.

The primary evidence of what happened in those interviews are Amanda's written note the next day verses testimony of the cops made a year later. Amanda's account could have been falsifiable at the time it was written because at that time Amanda would not know if recordings existed. The police statements constructed a year later are made with the full knowledge of what can and cannot be proven. Because of this, I put much more weight on Amanda's statement than on the police.

As I have said many a time, if I were the defense I would spend time on the police chief's day after statement and push the point that 12 people in there tag teaming her indicates clearly they were doing more than interviewing a witness.

This could backfire since it could result in the statement itself being admitted as evidence. As wrong as it is, it gives the jury an easy peg to hang a guilty verdict on.

It is clear that had she really preserved Rudy's evidence she would have been leading them to him not Patrick.

Why is this not so clear to everybody? There was no benefit whatsoever for Amanda to name Patrick.

 

[snook1]

I've read all the tweets and posts and came to the conclusion that there's no way judge Hellmann will confirm previous verdicts. I just can't see it. Mignini did a bad job, the chief of prosecutors also wasn't convincing and it only shows how bad they messed up and how badly now they want to win this one. They won't.

I've got a question, though. What's with the request of another examination of, already examinated, DNA evidence? Did the court reserved the right to decide later or did they already made a yes or no decision?

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

I've read all the tweets and posts and came to the conclusion that there's no way judge Hellmann will confirm previous verdicts. I just can't see it. Mignini did a bad job, the chief of prosecutors also wasn't convincing and it only shows how bad they messed up and how badly now they want to win this one. They won't.

I've got a question, though. What's with the request of another examination of, already examinated, DNA evidence? Did the court reserved the right to decide later or did they already made a yes or no decision?

Hellmann said no to the re-examination.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

Sideshow in amandaknox trial: blogger Frank Sfarzo pulled away forcibly 4 outstanding fine.

 

[Dougm]

How convenient!

From what I can gather, Frank was hauled out and had to pay a 450 euro fine for biting an officer's hand some time ago. Think about that....

My thought is that, if the reports are accurate that Frank was removed from court to pay a fine he owed, it is a nice side benefit to the prosecution that Frank is off dealing with his fine, and not observing the case so he can blog on it.