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Science: Wonders, causality and the indeterminable

HansMustermann said:
Science is why you have a computer to post such delusional idiocies with. Because someone actually was scientific about why a bunch of stuff happens. Including checking their predictions against reality, instead of just ranting about how their common sense and insight override such things.
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What a computer is is written tradition, handing down of crafts and skills, and common sense. No "science". (Whatever science is, maybe a cult or movement.)
 
excaza said:
Normally, things get less funny as they get repeated more and more. This line definitely doesn't. :p


*snork*
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I like your chimp. Very apt. It's one of the three wise monkeys isn't it? Stick your fingers in your ears AND stick your toungue out? Works for you then.
 
Jonesboy said:
What a computer is is written tradition, handing down of crafts and skills, and common sense. No "science". (Whatever science is, maybe a cult or movement.)
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A computer isn't science apart from the electrical supply, and the semiconductors and the memory and disk and the metallurgy and the fibre optics (if you're lucky) or copper pair(if you're not). In fact apart from the wobbly squishy thing in front of the keyboard it's all science.
 
Jonesboy said:
What a computer is is written tradition, handing down of crafts and skills, and common sense. No "science". (Whatever science is, maybe a cult or movement.)
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Ahh ye "no true Scotsman fallacy". Me boots! Before your finished you'll have your definition of 'science' narrowed so much down it can fit ye own ass.

Hans (Inspired by the speak like a pirate thread)

- Seriously, any definition of science that makes a computer not science can hover as well as a ton of lead.
 
The Don said:
A computer isn't science apart from the electrical supply, and the semiconductors and the memory and disk and the metallurgy and the fibre optics (if you're lucky) or copper pair(if you're not). In fact apart from the wobbly squishy thing in front of the keyboard it's all science.
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The cuffs are too frayed, they are really noticeable now -

What material property informs us which substances and shapes are scientific, and which ones aren't?
 
Jonesboy said:
The cuffs are too frayed, they are really noticeable now -

What material property informs us which substances and shapes are scientific, and which ones aren't?
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Why would material property say anything about that? Properties of materials are fundamental to the universe.

Care to try that one again?
 
Well, I don't mind and you don't matter, so lets move on to your next proclamation.
 
MRC_Hans said:
Ahh ye "no true Scotsman fallacy". Me boots! Before your finished you'll have your definition of 'science' narrowed so much down it can fit ye own ass.

Hans (Inspired by the speak like a pirate thread)

- Seriously, any definition of science that makes a computer not science can hover as well as a ton of lead.
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A computer is written tradition, crafts, and common sense. I don't see any other candidates.

Ascribing "science" to a computer is to ascribe a non-thing, an unknown, a mere gesture, not even a Scotsman.
 
excaza said:
Why would material property say anything about that? Properties of materials are fundamental to the universe.

Care to try that one again?
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If certain objects are scientific then they must have certain material properties that make them scientific. What are these properties?
 
Jonesboy said:
A computer is written tradition, crafts, and common sense. I don't see any other candidates.

Ascribing "science" to a computer is to ascribe a non-thing, an unknown, a mere gesture, not even a Scotsman.
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A computer is a technological artefact made possible through the application of scientific theories.
 
Jonesboy said:
A computer is written tradition, crafts, and common sense. I don't see any other candidates.

Ascribing "science" to a computer is to ascribe a non-thing, an unknown, a mere gesture, not even a Scotsman.
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Good, then build me a computer, exclusively using those things.

(Obviously, by computer, we mean a modern electronic computer, not an abacus or something like that) :rolleyes:

Hans
 
Jonesboy said:
If certain objects are scientific then they must have certain material properties that make them scientific. What are these properties?
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If a stone axe is craft, then it must have certain material properties that makes it craft. What are these properties?

Hans
 
Jonesboy said:
It isn't as though nature's objects are neatly divided into 1) scientific wonders, and, 2) ordinary non-scientific tat. No one would say that exploding stars, black-hole galaxies, atomic particles, and anything else viewed through an instrument, are "scientific" objects.
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If, however, we were to take a slightly less pedantic view of language, we might note that exploding stars, black holes, atomic particles and anything else viewed through an instrument are objects evoking wonder in humans that could only be perceived by humans as a result of scientific enquiry. While the objects themselves are not products of science, the wonder evoked by them is. It seems only fair, therefore, that science, as an activity, should take credit for their status as wonders.

Dave
 
Jonesboy said:
The Science creation myth of consciousness is non-Newtonian, and is that certain materials and material shapes cause consciousness.

These are myths because they feed our intuition. It isn't my intuition though, that cause is involved.
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Ah I see, it's not that you have knowledge that gives you a differing opinion, it's that in spite of the knowledge you were given that proves you wrong you just don't accept it.

Delusion is its own reward
 
Lowpro said:
Ah I see, it's not that you have knowledge that gives you a differing opinion, it's that in spite of the knowledge you were given that proves you wrong you just don't accept it.

Delusion is its own reward
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I'm using your own definitions. This is because they are science's own definitions. Newtonian causality is reciprocal. We were taught that in school. Mind/brain is not reciprocal. Science also tells us that there is no mind over matter.
 
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