Question to truthers

Save that defence for court Ron. We'll let the jury decide if your point is a valid one.

I think you'll be busy enough trying not to get your case thrown out of court to worry about what the jury thinks. Too bad you'll never get the chance, because nobody is paying attention to your "case" anyway.
 
No 45 did...46-55 are clearly not real. I don't think "Richard Gage" would sign this. I mean I figured with how much evidence is out there and just how clear it is...3 months is more than enough time. That page should have thousands should it not? I mean it's just basic physics right?

They will take it down soon. It works much better for us than for them, making it clear that most scientists are not willing to sign- which says it all really. They may not be willing to come out strongly against the official story for reasons we can easily understand but that does not mean they are not on our side. When the time comes they will come roaring out.

"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."--Mark Twain
 
For same strange reason, my original post was moved, it was on topic in terms of where the discussion was headed. But anyway here it is again.


Oh really?? Take a look at this website. This petition was started with serious intentions. You can see they've amassed the great total of 55. But 46-55 clearly are not serious. The genius creator of the petition didn't put any safeguards in to prevent "Richard Gage" from signing. So that leaves 45. Assuming they are all real (though I know something like this has no real relevance, as anyone can go in and just make up names) I'm surprised at that number. In fact I'd figure the webpage would have run out of bandwidth by now.

http://www.nothermite.epetitions.net/signatures.php?petition_id=1898


Looks like the twoofers finally found the petition :)
 
No 45 did...46-55 are clearly not real. I don't think "Richard Gage" would sign this. I mean I figured with how much evidence is out there and just how clear it is...3 months is more than enough time. That page should have thousands should it not? I mean it's just basic physics right?

Why would you think this? Petitions are protestations made to provoke change, not affirmations of the status quo. When is the last time you saw a petition confirming that man landed on the moon?
 
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why would you think this? Petitions are protestations made to provoke change, not affirmations of the status quo. When is the last time you saw a petition confirming that man landed on the moon?

^^ this!


I would like to start a petition that proves I had a ham sammich for lunch...thank you everyone for your support!
 
Good, because they aren't. The liars in the truth movement made them up.

Dave

the speed & symmetry in the destruction of wtc 1,2 &7

100 day fires

molten metal

iron micropsheres

temperatures recorded weeks later at the surface hot enough to melt aluminum. (the hottest temp was about a week later 2800f at the surface recorded by Bechtel)

explosions all over the place

squibs

the explosiveness of 1&2 which disassembled the superstructures, pulverized tons of concrete, left 1100 human beings blasted to bits so small no trace of their dna could be found. And created pyrcolatsic clouds, 1200 foot debris fields. 200 dna tests matched a single person.

WTC7's implosion

Evidence ignored by investigators who did not even test for explosives.

Hi-tech thermtic material found in the dust.

etc.

all are FACTS Dave.

best.
 
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Why? Let's go on your assumption that WTC7 was demolished on purpose and you believe it was controlled demolition. That would mean someone took a lot of effort and risk to destroy WTC7. What's the motive for taking such a big risk to destroy this particular building? Why would the perpetrators want to destroy WTC7??

Your questions are irrelevant because you are asking about the motivations of the people who did this. The features seen in the destruction of wtc 7 have only ever been seen during a CD. why would anyone assume it can be anything else? especially after this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw

Why would they take the chance? grotesque arrogance. They have power, access to insiders. Lots of money and this will make them much much richer. (Im sure you know about the insider trading.
http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

*The same arrogance that led them to think they could manufacture a catastrophic event take us speedily into two wars and boost military/security spending from 20bn in 2001 to over 80bn today,and get away with it.
We cannot let that happen. The thing happened.deal with it. address wtc 7s implosion please.
 
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Your questions are irrelevant because you are asking about the motivations of the people who did this. The features seen in the destruction of wtc 7 have only ever been seen during a CD. why would anyone assume it can be anything else? especially after this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw

Why would they take the chance? grotesque arrogance. They have power, access to insiders. Lots of money and this will make them much much richer. (Im sure you know about the insider trading.
http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

*The same arrogance that led them to think they could manufacture a catastrophic event take us speedily into two wars and boost military/security spending from 20bn in 2001 to over 80bn today,and get away with it.
We cannot let that happen. The thing happened.deal with it. address wtc 7s implosion please.

Follow some logical thought atavism: What could be more easily done, less noticeable, just as effective, and far less risky to destroy documents?
 
the speed & symmetry in the destruction of wtc 1,2 &7

None of the collapses were symmetrical. You yourself had to re-define the word to try and force it to fit WTC7. The speeds are deliberately misrepresented by truthers; in particular, the statement that WTC7 collapsed in less than seven seconds is a lie.

100 day fires

Has nothing to do with any conspiracy theory. Long-lasting undersground fires are completely explained by the conventional narrative.

molten metal

Anecdotal evidence at best, with no physical evidence to substantiate it.

iron micropsheres

A common product of normal fires, and also from many other sources that could have been present at the WTC. And, incidentally, it's even a lie that they wer "iron" microspheres; even Harrit and Jones only describe them as "iron rich", which means that they include other elements. For the implications of that, I suggest you learn some basic chemistry.

temperatures recorded weeks later at the surface hot enough to melt aluminum. (the hottest temp was about a week later 2800f at the surface recorded by Bechtel)

All completely understood in terms of the conventional narrative.

explosions all over the place

All completely understood in terms of the conventional narrative.


A fantasy concocted by conspiracy theorists with no basis in reality whatsoever. The word doesn't even mean what conspiracy theorists think it means. Some debris-laden air was expelled from windows during the collapse, which is completely understood in terms of the conventional narrative.

the explosiveness of 1&2

Not a fact. They didn't explode.

which disassembled the superstructures, pulverized tons of concrete,

Ask Steven Jones about that. Most of the concrete, by his admission, was in quite large pieces.

left 1100 human beings blasted to bits so small no trace of their dna could be found.

Another lie. Have you forgotten the 100 day fires so quickly?

And created pyrcolatsic clouds,

Outright fantasy. You don't even know what the word means.

1200 foot debris fields.

From 1600 foot buildings. Not exactly surprising.

200 dna tests matched a single person.

So?

WTC7's implosion

Again, fantasy. It didn't "implode".

Evidence ignored by investigators who did not even test for explosives.

The debris was fingertip searched at Fresh Kills. Evidence of explosive devices would have been found.

Hi-tech thermtic material found in the dust.

A lie made up by Harrit et al and contradicted by their own results.

all are FACTS Dave.

To paraphrase a famous comment, everything you have posted is either factual or relevant; unfortunately, the relevant parts are not factual, and the factual parts are not relevant. You're living in a fantasy world, where you believe the fabrications of liars because they're what you want to believe.

Dave
 
When the time comes they will come roaring out.

:newlol

And exactly when is this supposed to happen Bill?

So far you have managed to get less than 1% to sign a petition and it's now 10 years after 9/11....

In another 10 years if you double that number you will still have less than 1%.

If you double that number in another 10 years you will still have less than 1%.

So 30 years after the event your online "petition" will not even have 1% assuming the number of signatures doubles every year.......

So.....exactly when do you believe "the time will come" and "they will come roaring out"? Will it be in the next 10, 20, or 30 years? 50 years? 100 years?

When?
 
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And an engineer, or a physicist will tell you the natural collapses are physical impossible.
I am both and I will tell you that there is nothing impossible about the way the buildings collapsed or the "natural" reasons that they did so. Stop projecting.
 
I am both and I will tell you that there is nothing impossible about the way the buildings collapsed or the "natural" reasons that they did so. Stop projecting.

I am also an Engineer and I agree 100% with sylvan8798.
 
They will take it down soon. It works much better for us than for them, making it clear that most scientists are not willing to sign- which says it all really. They may not be willing to come out strongly against the official story for reasons we can easily understand but that does not mean they are not on our side. When the time comes they will come roaring out.

"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."--Mark Twain

Sounds like you're wearing your truther heart on your sleeve..so much for dispaasionate....
 
the speed & symmetry in the destruction of wtc 1,2 &7

100 day fires

molten metal

iron micropsheres

temperatures recorded weeks later at the surface hot enough to melt aluminum. (the hottest temp was about a week later 2800f at the surface recorded by Bechtel)

explosions all over the place

squibs

the explosiveness of 1&2 which disassembled the superstructures, pulverized tons of concrete, left 1100 human beings blasted to bits so small no trace of their dna could be found. And created pyrcolatsic clouds, 1200 foot debris fields. 200 dna tests matched a single person.

WTC7's implosion

Evidence ignored by investigators who did not even test for explosives.

Hi-tech thermtic material found in the dust.

etc.

all are FACTS Dave.

best.
Bingo! What do I win?
 
I am both and I will tell you that there is nothing impossible about the way the buildings collapsed or the "natural" reasons that they did so. Stop projecting.

And I am an architect and the buildings collapsed in a way that was not only natural, but expected based on the circumstances.
 
And I am an architect and the buildings collapsed in a way that was not only natural, but expected based on the circumstances.

If the collapses were expected why did the FDNY have staging posts at the bases of the towers and have firefighters up as high as the 78th floor at the time of the first collapse?
 
If the collapses were expected why did the FDNY have staging posts at the bases of the towers and have firefighters up as high as the 78th floor at the time of the first collapse?

Because firefighters are willing to risk their lives to save other peoples lives. They do it on a daily basis. And most of us (besides troofers that think they were part of an "inside job") are forever thankful for their sacrifices.
 
Because firefighters are willing to risk their lives to save other peoples lives. They do it on a daily basis. And most of us (besides troofers that think they were part of an "inside job") are forever thankful for their sacrifices.

If a collapse is expected firefighters don't enter. When wtc 2 collapsed they immediately evacuated wtc 1. They pulled all their men from wtc 7 and made a collapse zone when they suspected it would collapse.

They did not expect the towers to collapse before the south tower did.
 
If a collapse is expected firefighters don't enter. When wtc 2 collapsed they immediately evacuated wtc 1. They pulled all their men from wtc 7 and made a collapse zone when they suspected it would collapse.

They did not expect the towers to collapse before the south tower did.

<sigh> timing of the collapse is not the issue. The manner in which they did is quite expected.
 

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