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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Faster and Furiouser

It is clear from the Gogerty Marriott (only took the PG people three years to accept that Stark was gone ) site that they are doing some work on behave of Knox.

Has there ever been any proof that GM is controlling the media in the US or anywhere else?
Well there's the Maserati in my garage. Bruce got a Ferrari, but that's because more people read his blog. Vroom.
 
So, Stef testifies at the first trial that she got a "few hundred picograms of DNA" when she did the track B real time quantification.

Then, C&V point out that there was only a "too low" flourometer reading and no record of a Real Time quanitification.

Then, per Perugia Shock, Stefanoni testifies:

"She explained why she wrote on her report that the knife was tested with Real Time PCR (instead it was done with fluorimeter, being the Real Time machine out of order): “My mistake”.

Or why she didn’t report the quantity of DNA: “I forgot”."

What the heck? She DID report the quantity of DNA: "too low." There was no RT test done. Therefore, she lied about (i) doing an RT analysis when in fact the machine was broken, (ii) finding a quantification of "several hundred picograms" when in fact the only result was "too low," and (iii) "forgetting" to write down the quantity of DNA, when in fact there was nothing but "too low," which she did write down.

There is a lot going on here.
 
It is clear from the Gogerty Marriott (only took the PG people three years to accept that Stark was gone ) site that they are doing some work on behave of Knox.

Has there ever been any proof that GM is controlling the media in the US or anywhere else?

Are there any copies of emails sent to reporters?

No one has ever denied the fact that Marriott has helped Amanda's family handle the media. Her family is an average American family that had never dealt with the media storm that overwhelmed their daughter. Marriott helps with coordinating interviews so that Amanda's family can show support for their daughter.

Does anyone really believe that a PR firm can control every major media outlet in America?

The lies deal with the PR supertanker/million dollar PR firm nonsense. Marriott's services are voluntary. I know PMF/TJMK can't figure it out but many people feel that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent and are doing what they can to help without looking for anything in return.
 
My review of the test results and the dated SAL slides show a gap with a few items still not dated. As I stated before I though it was strange that one hearing ended with this nagging statement and a claim that one of the experts admitted there could be no contamination then the next hearing it is not mentioned in any news report I have read. I would love to see both transcripts.

So I don't consider it a mistake at this point. It is simply that we don't have the information to properly evaluate that part of thoughtful's post. Perhaps we should ask thoughtful for the raw data files.


Did the prosecution actually say there was such a time lapse?
It could have been a trick 'hypothetical' question designed to:

* Imply there was a time lapse even though there was not.
and/or
* Discredit C&V if they denied a time lapse would make any difference.
 
Jesus. This is all I can think about every time I see career loser michael.net pop up.

Wonder how long till he gets banned.

Michael.net still thinks the entire bathroom was splashed with blood? He honestly thinks the pink chemical reacted to blood on all of those surfaces? They wont ban him, its too entertaining.
 
Michael.net still thinks the entire bathroom was splashed with blood? He honestly thinks the pink chemical reacted to blood on all of those surfaces? They wont ban him, its too entertaining.

I know that it has been explained to him how the Kastle-Meyer testWP works. It seems that preserving the blood soaked bathroom story is more important to him than a proper scientific explanation.
 
Now that is fascinating. Sort of goes along with the fact that apparently no authentic, contemporaneous e-grams have been produced from November 2007. The e-grams attached to the C&V report are from June 2008.

At this point, there appears to be no documentary evidence that anything beyond the "too low" fluorometer analysis occurred in November 2007.

Moreover, Stefanoni has been shown to have lied about conducting a Real Time quantification at that time (she claimed she "forgot" that this didn't really happen).

This is very, very irregular, and IMO is a HUGE issue.

As far as we know, the extract could have been contaminated or even fabricated at any time between November 2007 and June 2008.

Correction. Stef's RTIFG report alleges a date of June 2008 for the e-gram runs. However, the actual e-gram runs that were produced to C&V, and attached to their report, are from September 23 and 25, 2008.
 
Sorry, but this is getting absolutely hilarious.

http://perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?style=1&f=1&t=402&start=4500#p98385

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All "Rolfe" now has to do is deny he's "niktendo" or "FormerFOA" then, no?
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p= ... count=5172

After much entreaties for Former FOA to step forward and accept applause Rolfe says "I cant, I'm not a member http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p= ... count=5088

Then he says "someone PM'ed me" http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p= ... count=5094 and since I was the one that PM'ed him, I thought, hmm.

So let's see. After he claims to be part of a boiler room PR operation led by "scary Bruce Fisher in a black suit"
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and immediately identified as a troll by stilicho ("one of Rose's group") and I PM him for further information "I am inclined to believe you, etc
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" he thinks that "people got sucked into taking it seriously. I think Peggy took it seriously"

I think perhaps some people take themselves too seriously
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I was unable to take the original advice to "search for posts by FormerFOA", because I'm not a member of that forum, have never been a member of that forum, and have no intention of ever becoming a member of that forum. And the search function seems to be restricted to members only.

London John then PMed me, on this forum, I'd have thought that was obvious, including a link to the first FormerFOA post. When I followed it, I realised I'd read it when it was originally posted. OK, obvious troll is obvious, but it was still fall-down funny.

Then komponisto posted the same link in the thread here, and I replied saying I'd already been sent the link by PM. Somehow, Ergon seemed to equate that to his having PMed FormerFOA on PMF.org. Or something. It's not very clear.

These people really aren't the brightest crayons in the box.

I see they've now gone the whole homoeopath ball of wax, which is to ban all newbies on sight as presumed trolls. When that happens on a homoeopath site, the EBMers know they've won. I've seen them ban newbies who were almost certainly legit, simply for asking something like "how do you find a reliable homoeopathic pharmacy?" When there are so many vulnerable areas in the argument, after a bit the most innocent question is seen as attacking one of these areas.

Rolfe.
 
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I'm a veterinary pathologist with training and experience in forensic pathology. I have often appeared in court as an expert witness in relation to my pathology findings, including having to address time of death.

Once upon a time, a guilter approached me here, by PM I think. I think it was Stilicho, actually, though as I said it was a while ago. He implored me to take a look at the medical evidence in the Kercher murder case, because I was such a well-respected forum poster. At the time I had other, much bigger, fish to fry, and said so. I had no idea even of the nature of the medical evidence (all I'd read about was an allegedly staged break-in).

The guilter (Stilicho?) then appeared in a thread, saying that when someone like me was refusing to touch the evidence, "something was terribly wrong". I still have little idea what he meant by this. That I was part of some cover-up? I replied again that I didn't have time to get involved in the Kercher case as the Lockerbie case was so time-consuming.

ETA: Explained here. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6886621

It was some considerable time later that I happened to read the details of the gastrointestinal contents findings at the post mortem. I was completely gobsmacked. It's a complete slam-dunk that Meredith died shortly after nine, on that evidence. It also seems to stand up to scrutiny, in that the PM was videoed and the pathologist can be seen to take the correct precautions to prevent artefacts.

That's why I came into this thread, to say that. It's completely beyond reasonable doubt.

Now Stilicho mocks me on PMF as a cow-doctor, and makes jokes about clipping dogs' toenails and suchlike. "Veterinarian" has become synonymous with ignoramus. PMF posters in general refer to this whole thing as a "google" diagnosis, although I personally haven't had to google a thing in this respect, and even if anyone has, the internet is a good source of medical information if one is intelligently selective with the references consulted.




Well, exactly. The guilters think the defence aren't going to address this aspect, because no additional evidence was admitted to the Hellman court. They think the ridiculous 11.40 ToD will therefore stand.

This is nonsense as far as I can see. No new evidence is needed, because the existing evidence, properly interpreted, says all that needs to be said. I would expect the defence to make a strong case for an early ToD later this month.

Rolfe.

You wouldn't touch the Ebola virus would you?

These guys are so pitiful that they cause one to lose a bit of compassion and hope for the human race everytime you talk to them.

However, a couple of the guilters generate good discussion, so they are actually good for FOA as weak advocates for guilt. A weak argument against innocence is the best argument for innocence that there is.
 
Meredith Kercher's Blue Adidas Jacket in the News!

STOKED!

I've been talking about the blue jacket that was physically removed from Meredith Kercher during the struggle for months. The Dumb and Dumb Trash a Crime Scene Team didn't collect it as evidence but threw it in the laundry hamper in her room. On Dec 18 one took it out of hamper and threw it on the floor before it was finally collected as evidence. Rudy Guede's DNA was found on the cuff.

Now Oggi is doing an article on it.

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Process of Perugia: the Scientific Police had lost the bloody sweat of Meredith

Revelation of the week Today: There is another glaring oversight that could be decisive in the appeal for Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito
Yet another twist to the process of Perugia for the murder of Meredith Kercher.

Today the number of newsstands on Wednesday, in an exclusive article tells you yet another, glaring oversight of the Scientific Police who investigated the murder in Perugia. For more than 46 days, the sweatshirt she was wearing the victim, Meredith Kercher, the night she was killed, has remained in a basket of dirty laundry.

Crumpled - She found the coroner Patum Walter, consultant to the defense of Amanda Knox. It was bloody, crumpled under other clothes to wash. "It was the classic basket of dirty laundry. At the bottom of the sweatshirt was the bloody girl. I'm not saying the embarrassment of the police when they showed it, "he confides to the consultant today.

OTHER T-SHIRT - The white and gray striped sweater worn the night of the murder of Amanda Knox, continues today, was discovered by chance on 8 April 2008, five months after the murder, lying on the bed in the room of Amanda.
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http://www.oggi.it/focus/cronaca/20...veva-perso-la-felpa-insanguinata-di-meredith/

http://www.ilmessaggero.it/articolo.php?id=162893&sez=HOME_INITALIA


Maybe they will do an article on the untested Semen stain next!

Is Oggi following JREF and IIP ? :)
 
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You wouldn't touch the Ebola virus would you?

These guys are so pitiful that they cause one to lose a bit of compassion and hope for the human race everytime you talk to them.

However, a couple of the guilters generate good discussion, so they are actually good for FOA as weak advocates for guilt. A weak argument against innocence is the best argument for innocence that there is.


Agatha just said she is surprised that I think Knox and Sollecito are innocent. Of course I've explained, as above. The post mortem evidence makes it clear that Meredith died not long after 9 pm. Rudy's estimated time of death (9.20 I believe, and he should know) seems consistent with the findings. It's just ridiculous to imagine she spent a couple of hours relaxing on her bed in a cold house, playing with her phone but not phoning her mother, and all that pizza was still in her stomach.

So that throws the Massei verdict down the toilet. Show me a plausible, properly-worked-through scenario in which Knox and Sollecito kill her at that time, and I'm listening. So far as I can see though, nobody has tried.

Rolfe.
 
All I can say is WOW. Are people seriously ignoring the facts that show innocense? Like I said before, all they can see is the molehills of guilt evidence, while ignoring the mountain of innocense evidence. They throw small trees out there, and can't see or they ignore the surrounding forest. Either that or they just want to practice debating with no desire to find real truth.
 
BTW,
An interesting discussion at websleuths (Some names you may recognize):

Rose if you follow the comment and google the linked name I think you'll find that this Dungeons and Dragons type probably wouldn't have any connection to Amanda. When SB tracked him down and emailed him, he declined to come forward - yet they are still talking prank. Any day now it will be the noise conviction and the SPD coverup.
 
If the past can serve as a guideline for the future, I expect to see the usual influx of trolls from the usual places. To avoid wasting everyone's time, I plan to get rid of them right away rather than indulging their need for some attention here. Note to all "new" posters to come: if you find yourself banned but are not a troll, you can always contact me by email and explain your situation.

Achtung - everybody has been pre-banned. Ya it would be better to put this information on the registration form.
 
Yeah, like some poor schmuck who had the bad luck to ask a sensible question is going to find that in the middle of a thread....

Rolfe.
 
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