The Missing Chapter Of General Relativity?

DeathDart said:
So if light moves the same speed, in all reference frames then...

In a reference frame where time speeds up, light must move faster to keep this true.
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No, the frequency of the light changes, but the speed stays the same. If you are moving towards a beam of light at 99% of the speed of light, you would still perceive it as moving at the speed of light, but it would have a great deal more energy (smaller wavelength); probably in the range of gamma rays.
 
DeathDart said:
Can't start at home, gravity needs to be low in the range of 6.67E-11m/s^2. I don't know if anything can be observed locally
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Solar system tests of gravity are very precise. If you had a theory, you could compare it against that data. But you don't, apparently - just some vague words.
 
KPC
Radius equal
Measured Velocity
g from Velocity and Radius
Mass From G
0.40
1.234436E+19
3.700000E+04
1.109008E-10
2.532023E+38
0.80
2.468872E+19
5.500000E+04
1.225256E-10
1.118973E+39
1.20
3.703308E+19
6.600000E+04
1.176246E-10
2.416981E+39
1.60
4.937744E+19
8.000000E+04
1.296138E-10
4.734827E+39
2.00
6.172181E+19
8.500000E+04
1.170575E-10
6.681470E+39
2.40
7.406617E+19
9.000000E+04
1.093617E-10
8.988774E+39
2.80
8.641053E+19
9.400000E+04
1.022561E-10
1.143979E+40
3.20
9.875489E+19
9.800000E+04
9.725088E-11
1.421040E+40
3.60
1.110993E+20
1.000000E+05
9.000961E-11
1.664588E+40
4.00
1.234436E+20
1.020000E+05
8.428140E-11
1.924263E+40
4.40
1.357880E+20
1.040000E+05
7.965359E-11
2.200511E+40
5.60
1.728211E+20
1.060000E+05
6.501523E-11
2.909404E+40
6.80
2.098541E+20
1.100000E+05
5.765910E-11
3.804508E+40
8.00
2.468872E+20
1.160000E+05
5.450262E-11
4.977487E+40
9.20
2.839203E+20
1.190000E+05
4.987667E-11
6.024014E+40
10.40
3.209534E+20
1.180000E+05
4.338325E-11
6.695786E+40
11.60
3.579865E+20
1.200000E+05
4.022498E-11
7.723687E+40
13.00
4.011917E+20
1.240000E+05
3.832581E-11
9.242531E+40
14.20
4.382248E+20
1.310000E+05
3.916026E-11
1.126770E+41
15.40
4.752579E+20
1.360000E+05
3.891782E-11
1.317051E+41

I am too tired to figure out how to post a graph

This shows the dark matter equation the mass just keeps on increasing.

My velocities are too high and M33 mass looks low
 
DeathDart said:
Can't start at home, gravity needs to be low in the range of 6.67E-11m/s^2.
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That you have an acceleration that has a numerical value in SI units that is the same as big G in SI units sets off alarm bells.

Or is there something magic about 1 m^2/kg?
 
DeathDart said:
KPC
Radius equal
Measured Velocity
g from Velocity and Radius
Mass From G
0.40
1.234436E+19
3.700000E+04
1.109008E-10
2.532023E+38
0.80
2.468872E+19
5.500000E+04
1.225256E-10
1.118973E+39
1.20
3.703308E+19
6.600000E+04
1.176246E-10
2.416981E+39
1.60
4.937744E+19
8.000000E+04
1.296138E-10
4.734827E+39
2.00
6.172181E+19
8.500000E+04
1.170575E-10
6.681470E+39
2.40
7.406617E+19
9.000000E+04
1.093617E-10
8.988774E+39
2.80
8.641053E+19
9.400000E+04
1.022561E-10
1.143979E+40
3.20
9.875489E+19
9.800000E+04
9.725088E-11
1.421040E+40
3.60
1.110993E+20
1.000000E+05
9.000961E-11
1.664588E+40
4.00
1.234436E+20
1.020000E+05
8.428140E-11
1.924263E+40
4.40
1.357880E+20
1.040000E+05
7.965359E-11
2.200511E+40
5.60
1.728211E+20
1.060000E+05
6.501523E-11
2.909404E+40
6.80
2.098541E+20
1.100000E+05
5.765910E-11
3.804508E+40
8.00
2.468872E+20
1.160000E+05
5.450262E-11
4.977487E+40
9.20
2.839203E+20
1.190000E+05
4.987667E-11
6.024014E+40
10.40
3.209534E+20
1.180000E+05
4.338325E-11
6.695786E+40
11.60
3.579865E+20
1.200000E+05
4.022498E-11
7.723687E+40
13.00
4.011917E+20
1.240000E+05
3.832581E-11
9.242531E+40
14.20
4.382248E+20
1.310000E+05
3.916026E-11
1.126770E+41
15.40
4.752579E+20
1.360000E+05
3.891782E-11
1.317051E+41
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That's some list of numbers there.
 
DeathDart said:
Can't start at home, gravity needs to be low in the range of 6.67E-11m/s^2. I don't know if anything can be observed locally

Gravity affects light, time does not.

Time exists for matter and gravity.
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Photons are what then, if not matter?
Light has the special quality that it is outside of time. The speed of light is the same in all frames.

Gravity slows time for matter.

This is an incomplete answer (DUh:)) since I haven't considered all the implications.
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Tough crowd.
Hope you guys don't discourage DD or anyone else from thinking about big pictures.
From the tone here, you'd think he was claiming bigfoot.

my own early hypothesis, which was also 'not even wrong' suggests that the pre-big-bang singularity is/was not bound by C, and that its energy and motion manifests all the larger particles, atoms, molecules, etc, by moving faster than C; accelerating and decelerating almost instantaneously; assembling all the larger particles through a variety of spins and charmingness and strangeness, etc.

Violations of C are within imagination, yet, mostly, they remain minor violations.
We aren't inclined to imagine violations of epic proportions, like C to the Cth power, with extreme changes in acceleration...though there are no actual violations of thermodynamics is this approach, as it precedes the laws.
Math?

0=0
 
I don't want to discourage DD from thinking. There are other things that need discouraging though, so yeah - tough crowd.
 
DeathDart said:
KPC
Radius equal
Measured Velocity
g from Velocity and Radius
Mass From G
0.40
1.234436E+19
3.700000E+04
1.109008E-10
2.532023E+38

...

I am too tired to figure out how to post a graph

This shows the dark matter equation the mass just keeps on increasing.

My velocities are too high and M33 mass looks low
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What's the equation that is supposed to link all of these variables/numbers together?
 
edd said:
That you have an acceleration that has a numerical value in SI units that is the same as big G in SI units sets off alarm bells.
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As well it should. It originated from DD being confused about units and dimensions. I tried to correct him on that, but for some strange reason he wanted to hang onto the numeric value despite it being arbitrary.
 
Actually, the missing chapter of relativity contained Einstein's proof that human stupidity was infinite. He even claimed this was more conclusive than the idea of the Universe being infinite. But, for various reasons, it went largely unpublished. Though, it is summarized in an often quoted quip.
 
Feel like a rat in a terriers mouth.

Getting the math in line.

The math isn't pretty, but I think the theory might explain what is happening.
 
DeathDart said:
Feel like a rat in a terriers mouth.

Getting the math in line.

The math isn't pretty, but I think the theory might explain what is happening.
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I can't say I'm holding my breath.

I would be shocked if you understand the mathematics used in Einstein's Theory of General Relativity.

I would be even more shocked if you could use that mathematics to extend that theory.

Many people think that mathematics is a way that scientists make things appear harder than they need to be, and are confident of their ability to express the same things simply with little or no math.

They are wrong. Using mathematics in physics (for example) is the easiest path, the clearest and most unambiguous way of expressing things.

You are not 'getting the math in line'.

You also don't seem to understand that the theory is expressed through mathematics, it isn't a bag on the side.

Please do something else.
 
DeathDart said:
Gravity affects light, time does not.

Time exists for matter and gravity.

Light has the special quality that it is outside of time. The speed of light is the same in all frames.

Gravity slows time for matter.

This is an incomplete answer (DUh:)) since I haven't considered all the implications.
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Here's an implication: Gravity is affected by time. Light is affected by gravity. Time indirectly affects light by affecting gravity. But then we have, "light has the special quality that is outside of time" which seems to contradict the picture.
 
marplots said:
Here's an implication: Gravity is affected by time. Light is affected by gravity. Time indirectly affects light by affecting gravity. But then we have, "light has the special quality that is outside of time" which seems to contradict the picture.
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Where there is a lot of mass light will bend and time will slow down.

If at the other end of the time spectrum, for light to remain the same speed in all frames, then it must speed up.

Having light speed up is like stepping on one of physics' landmines, you really don't want to do that. I was hoping not to step on that mine. Looks like I might need some earplugs.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Bigfoot doesn't violate the laws of physics, as does this:
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So there is a conflict between light having the same speed in all reference frames, and light having a fixed speed throughout the universe.

If light's speed is dependent on the flow of time.

And the flow of time speeds up in low gravitational regions.

Then how could we tell?

Would Light or particles traveling between galaxies change in any way to indicate that it had traveled across the galactic gaps faster in our framework. To the photon, the amount of time it experienced would be identical to its speed being constant. To us it could seem like the beam of light was moving tens or hundreds of times its local velocity as it crossed the galactic expanse.

If light is traveling faster, then matter could also travel faster, ouch stepped on another mine.
 
Wowbagger said:
Actually, the missing chapter of relativity contained Einstein's proof that human stupidity was infinite. He even claimed this was more conclusive than the idea of the Universe being infinite. But, for various reasons, it went largely unpublished. Though, it is summarized in an often quoted quip.
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Actually the quote is used in the movie Imposter.

It is possible to be wrong, without being stupid.
 
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