I think this is again starting to be a longer explanation than it needs to be. There is a risk that people will not believe the whole induced-false-memory thing. Again, if you're confident that they will believe it, then fine, otherwise this explanation will leave them feeling that they're being lied to.
Usually what you say makes a lot of sense to me and I think it's quite commendable how you are willing to go against the crowd, but your reasoning in regards to AK's "induced-false-memory-thing" seems to lack your usual logic IMO. Obviously there was a risk people wouldn't believe her false memory story, and they didn't. But shouldn't the only thing you care about be wether or not it was the the truth or not? And if it was the truth it sounds like you are arguing that she should have still known better than to tell it. Which is odd because it seems like you are using her lack of manipulative dishonesty against her.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree. It's perfectly possible for her to retract everything she said completely and straightforwardly without making any kind of positive statement about whether Patrick was or was not involved unless her explanation is so long and rambling that it is left unclear quite what she is asserting.
Do you think induced false memories aren't possible? i've known a few people that have had issues with them and they can easily be created in situations drastically less intense then what AK experienced. A very context appropriate case was with a friend who in a semi therapeutic environment started having visions of her father attacking her with a knife. In those visions she was stabbed repeatedly and there was lots of blood. It obviously didn't happen so she took it to be a symbolic vision of her fathers hostility towards her. When I asked her point blank what she would have thought if she saw something that could have plausibly happened (like sex abuse) she said she would have thought it had really happened. In fact another women in her group did recover sex abuse memories that she thought were real that most likely were not ( her friends sex abuse included events as young as 1 year old which is a red flag for false memories.)
As some one familiar with false memories it really just looks like AK is being honest and the psychological intensity of the interrogation combined with the translator's suggestion that she was repressing her knowledge of the murder caused her to start imagining things that didn't happen. The interrogators wanted them to be real memories so they ignored the obvious signs that they weren't, and Knox was so naive she had started to believe their lies and genuinely thought her visions might be true.
The lack of a recording of the interrogation was huge factor in how I reassessed the case once I realized AK/RS might be innocent. Mignini has said there was no recording due to "budget problems" but Ak had already secretly been recorded multiple times including once in one of the police interrogation rooms. Mignini has said AK was just a witness despite her clearly being interrogated as a suspect. Mignini has said the interrogation of Ak was lawful but that is obviously not true since the Italian Supreme court ruled it wasn't. Mignini has said he never broke the law and that abuse of office charges against him were unfounded but now has been convicted of those very charges and has 16 month prison sentence. Mignini is clearly untrustworthy, anyone who can't see that at this point is in denial.
How many hours?
How many hours of interrogation would it take for you to be sobbing uncontrollably and screaming? AK was broken, and once that happened they had tremendous power over her, that is more important then the length of time it took to get her to that point.
Her initial signed false statements are made with less than three hours of interrogation (that night) but what happened to Knox was infinitely more coercive then what happened with my friend who had visions of her father stabbing her. My friend saw those visions after 4 hours of really exhaustive yoga with little more then a gentle suggestion that stuff from her past would come up as blocks to her training. It's been well established that both therapists and interrogators can accidentally induce false memories. If knox's "gift" statement is accurate then she was telling the police that she didn't think the visions were real early on and they just ignored her. Part of why the interrogation recording is so important is because if she really did tell them that from the beginning what they did to her was incredibly cruel and dishonest because they demonized her to hide their own incompetence.
To understand how disruptive an interrogation can be to proper cognitive functioning consider that PMFcore is so mentally fragile they can't even handle dissenting views on their forum. Words on a screen that they can choose not to read in the comfort of their own homes are so threatening to their collective psyche that they regularly erase and ban people for just hinting at thinking AK and RS are innocent. Yet Pmf is full of people who seem to have no empathy for how being trapped in an interrogation room while being told numerous lies and yelled at for hours might effect someone.
OK. Try and find a basis for his history of prosecuting people based on weird theories beyond what Preston says. if he's got a "history" of it, I take it it's more than one other case?
Preston makes the point thst it's a reoccurring issue with Mignini in the Monster of Florence case as Mignini ends up arresting a lot of different people for various crimes somehow part of the weird conspiracy Mignini is seeing everywhere. Now that Mignini has a 16 month prison sentence waiting for him in related to those acts I think it's fair to say that Preston's claims have been vindicated.
As far as the AK case Mignini demonstrated similar weird occult theories early on but dropped them from the prosecutions case when Micheli rebuked them. The comic book that RS owned that Mignini said inspired the killing of MK because she dressed as vampire on Halloween is totally mainstream, part of series that includes two movies, 3 video games and 3 young adult books. i've read online reviews of it and it seems milder than Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula movie in regards to it's sex and violence content. Mignini also apparently thought the original intended date to kill MK was Halloween somehow related to that comic and vampires, that counts as pretty weird IMO.
PMFcore likes to argue that Preston is the one who started the rumors about Mignini being into weird theories but Micheli, Nadeau, Follain, Mansey, and Kercher have all said Mignini said some really weird stuff regarding vampires, Halloween, rituals/satanism and MK's murder. I pointed out on the pmf forums that media sources they consider trustworthy disgaree with them about what Mignini had said and my post was erased and I was banned.
Consider how in order to argue the comic inspired murder narrative Mignini didn't just turn a common place comic into evidence of an occult motive for murder but also in the process Mignini was ignoring the overwhelming evidence of the killer being a habitual burglar who carried a knife, who had recently been violently threatening with the knife when he broke into an occupied home, and that had an modus operandi incredibly similar to the MK break in.
If you have a view about the monster of florence I take it that's taken on trust as to how bad it makes Mignini look, he really is only a footnote in the case after all? Are people saying that Mignini has a history of this because it's true, or because they think it ought to be/might be true/would be convenient if it were true.
I haven't read the monster of Florence book but I think Preston's 2006 article for The Atlantic is an important data point to understand the current case because it is incredible coincidence for the very same prosecutor that Preston wrote about to be involved in another case where he is apparently railroading innocent people. Preston didn't break down during his interrogation but he is a worldly 50 year old man and he was still was traumatized by it and wrote that he literally cried about it afterwards. There is something very wrong with Mignini, I'm not sure what it is exactly, but it seems like he is prone to moments of irrational paranoia and those that try to point out his errors he then imagines as being part of vast conspiracy against him. ( Pmfcore often seems to think the same way . . .)
Consider this old pmf post by Nicki :
I thought Mignini reactions to the American attacks could be of interest, in his own words, when addressing the Court yesterday:
Translation of Mignini complaints to the Court about USA media attacks:
"There is a passage in Mignini address to the court that Amanda surely cannot miss (NdT it is previously reported that at times she looks like she was sleeping while listening to the Court translator). Giuliano Mignini speaks about pressures from the USA, from Seattle, perhaps he refers to the letters written to the judges , or maybe to the blogs opened to support Amanda, or even to those who have criticized the way to conduct the investigation: surely, the Prosecutor is speaking in the courtroom in Perugia in order for America to listen. And Mignini says something very clear and very definitive, that jurisdiction on this case belongs to Italy only: "They have attacked in an undignified manner, with total lack of arguments, and striking superficiality this Country's judicial system, the only one having jurisdiction on this matter. Amanda in listening, motionless. Even when Mignini says that "Nodoby in Italy would have done so much as denigrate and attack in such a shameless manner USA prosecutors. Moreover, Mignini says " no Italian journalist, nobody working in the judicial field would even dream to libel and slander an American prosecutor investigating an Italian suspect".
As if the message isn't clear enough, Mignini adds: " I am bewildered and shocked by this behavior. It is the first time-and I don't think it will even happen again- that I face such arrogance and superficiality. A minimum of experience and prudence should prevent these sketchy judgments, expressed from 9000 km distance. And all of this without even spending a word on the fact that the writs have been confirmed by the Tribunal of Riesame and the First Penal Section of the Supreme Court".According to Mignini, however, "the masterminds of these operations are in Italy". Anyway " I will pass over more, even heavier and repeated intereferences. I will only say they would be inconceivable in Italy, and we 're surely not a perfect country".
FROM CORRIERE DELLA SERA of Oct 19, 2008
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Now c...erican wasn't going to get away with it . . .
